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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh dear, I don't know what the correct answer is and the poll is not much help I'm afraid.
My initial contribution was "The Vitaphone Corp." and I had received 2 "no" votes which is why I brought the topic to the forums.
The votes are now unanimous "yes" with 3 qualifiers.
I think I will leave the contribution as is. But, I will edit my notes to point the screeners to this thread.
Thank you all for your input. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I'd go for Vitaphone, based mainly on Pistol Pete's info and the fact that "Corp." is specifically an example given in the rules and the fact that in the screen grab that Caleb supplied "Vitaphone" is larger and thicker than "The" and "Corp." and lower down in the flag "Vitaphone" is written by itself, suggesting to me that "Vitaphone" is the name of the company. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pistol Pete: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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I think of a suffix in this case as something that comes after the company name and a comma: Warner Bros. Pictures, Inc. has a suffix; The Vitaphone Corporation does not. IMO.
I'm sorry, but commas can't have any relevance here. I'm working on a Finnish company by the name of Itella Oyj (in Finnish), Itella Abp (in Swedish) and Itella Corporation (in English). Oyj, Abp and Corporation are all company suffixes which tell you what kind of company Itella is.
I'll give you a more familiar example: a Production Company named Columbia Pictures Corporation. If Corporation is not a company suffix, it should be included as a part of the company name to DVDP database, shouldn't it? Why would we treat Columbia Pictures Corporation different from The Vitaphone Corporation? So it would be "The Vitaphone"?  I don't think any rule is going to work for everything. I certainly don't pretend to know anything about Finnish or Swedish studio names. One curious studio name that came up for me recently was 20th Century-Fox Film Corporation. (yes, with numbers and not "twentieth", but anyway...) So is it 20th Century-Fox, 20th Century-Fox Film or 20th Century-Fox Film Corporation? I could accept the first or the last, but not the middle choice. It is for this reason, that I've voted neutral on Kathy's contribution. I'm not sure I agree with her choice, but I'm not sure it's wrong either. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Personally I'd go for Vitaphone, based mainly on Pistol Pete's info and the fact that "Corp." is specifically an example given in the rules and the fact that in the screen grab that Caleb supplied "Vitaphone" is larger and thicker than "The" and "Corp." and lower down in the flag "Vitaphone" is written by itself, suggesting to me that "Vitaphone" is the name of the company. Ok. That makes sense to do away with the "the". | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Ok. That makes sense to do away with the "the". No, it doesn't. In this credit, we have a company suffix that is part of the name and one that is not... Warner Bros. Pictures, Inc. and The Vitaphone Corp.. In the former, 'Inc.' is a company suffix and not part of the name. In the latter, because they use the word 'The', 'Corp.' is part of the company name. As we are allowed to enter correct studio names, The Vitaphone Corporation would be correct. Are you...the general you...really trying to tell me that a company is not allowed to use the words 'Company' or 'Corporation' as part of their actual name?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you overall, Martian. I would enter The Vitaphone Corporation as the name.
I could follow northbloke's logic to eliminate the "the", so I could see that as an option.
Companies are certainly allowed to add words such as 'company' and 'corporation' to their name. I also agree with you that they are not required to carry a suffix at all. I oversee the accounting of several dozen business entities, most of which carry no designation regarding their business type. Some of them have "the" as the first word of their name as well. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd go with Vitaphone. The rule clearly says to omit "Corporation" and "The Vitaphone" doesn't make any sense. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I will start this by saying I admit I know next to nothing about studios... But I will also say the rules don't clearly say to omit "corporation" as the post above states. Here is the rules for studios... Quote:
Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.
* Theatrical Release Studio(s)
* Production Company(s)
Media Companies
The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.
Enter in the following order:
* Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.
* Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".
* Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution.
Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company.
Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.
Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc.
Omit any locality-specific suffix. e.g. Enter Paramount Home Entertainment, not Paramount Home Entertainment (UK)
There is further information about correct listings of studios and media companies, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum. To be 100% sure... I even did a search on the rules page and the word corporation isn't even mentioned. It does say to "Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc." ...but that alone does not say the word corporation must always be omitted. Since we know the word can be part of the name of the company... this must be taken on a case by case basis on whether Corporation is part of the name or not. So with all things considered I have to agree with My Friend the Martian  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
...but that alone does not say the word corporation must always be omitted. Since we know the word can be part of the name of the company... this must be taken on a case by case basis on whether Corporation is part of the name or not. Is there anyone in disagreement that, whether "Corporation" is a part of the name or not, that "The Vitaphone Corp." would, at best, be an abbreviation of "The Vitaphone Corporation", and thus not be allowed? --------------- |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Is there anyone in disagreement that, whether "Corporation" is a part of the name or not, that "The Vitaphone Corp." would, at best, be an abbreviation of "The Vitaphone Corporation", and thus not be allowed? I would agree to that. Whether the name is "Vitaphone" or "The Vitaphone Corporation", "The Vitaphone Corp." is definitely wrong. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have decided, based on the poll results and in compliance with the rules, to contribute the studio as "Vitaphone".
Thank you. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say the Vitaphone Corporation. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I could go with Vitaphone, but I think The Vitaphone Corporation makes more sense. I agree. It's unfortunately not one of the poll options. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 259 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Companies are certainly allowed to add words such as 'company' and 'corporation' to their name. I also agree with you that they are not required to carry a suffix at all. I oversee the accounting of several dozen business entities, most of which carry no designation regarding their business type. Some of them have "the" as the first word of their name as well. This is what seems to cause confusion and misinterpretation, so I’ll try to explain what this means. When you say that companies are not required to carry a suffix at all, you are talking about business names in relation usually to either Sole Proprietorship or Partnership. These are different forms of business organizations than a Corporation or a Limited Liability Company. Many states require a sole proprietor or partnership to operate under their personal names, unless they formally file a trade name, or a “Doing Business As” (DBA) name. As the DBA name is not the legal name of the individual or organization actually conducting the business, it is also called a “fictitious business name” in many states. If your business organization is not a Corporation or a Limited Liability Company, you can’t add a company suffix to your business name to create the impression that your business is a Corporation or a Limited Liability Company when, in fact, it is not. On the other hand, if your business organization is formed as a Corporation or a Limited Liability Company, it must include a corporate or a LLC designation at the end of the business name. In other words all Corporations and Limited Liability Companies are required to have a company suffix at the end of their business names whereas other forms of business organizations are not allowed to have it. So, if you see ‘Corporation’ in a business name, the business organization in question is always a Corporation and ‘Corporation’ in the name is a company suffix. The Vitaphone Corporation and Columbia Pictures Corporation in my previous example are both Corporations and the ‘Corporation’ part in these names is a company suffix. This should be clear as crystal and there should be no room for case by case basis, IMO. Hopefully this will clarify the matter. | | | | Markku |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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...but that alone does not say the word corporation must always be omitted. Since we know the word can be part of the name of the company... this must be taken on a case by case basis on whether Corporation is part of the name or not.
Is there anyone in disagreement that, whether "Corporation" is a part of the name or not, that "The Vitaphone Corp." would, at best, be an abbreviation of "The Vitaphone Corporation", and thus not be allowed?
--------------- Vitaphone and The Vitaphone are abbreviations. The Vitaphone Corp. is the actual on-screen credit. I would enter The Vitaphone Corp. based on that and the fact that the rules don't specifically address Corp. as a company suffix (it's a thin straw, I guess.) And the fact that The Vitaphone does not make any sense, to me at least. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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