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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | I think I can remember the first BluRay version of John Rambo had a wrong version on the Disc. (~2 min longer running time) After the experience of the mistake, all not sold BR got changed. These first versions are very popular at collectors. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I think the rule should be different, but it is what it is. And it is for a reason, the reason as i have explained it, Ace. I suppose you would eliminate what you perceive as a mistake from the catalog, thus creating the mess I described. Now should the system be fine tuned for these, I would say yes to make the information even more clear, but that is a Program issue it would not involve, probably much in the way of a Rule change. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | I find this interesting from a database design perspective in that it shows that neither the UPC nor the Disc ID can relied upon for uniqueness. Perhaps it's time to recommend a composite key that identifies both the UPC and the DiscID as a unique key. The combination of the two is likely to cause more variants of individual titles in the DB, but it does reduce the risk of these types of errors from becoming problematic. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | The disc ID is reliable unique as far as the contents of the disc, but the same disc might be release in different packages. Also, you need a parent for things like TV seasons. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | There are other possibilities, I have suggested Leiter. Some of which are not always available but....I have suggested additionally using Distributors Catalog # (if available) and ISBN 9also when available) i believe that coupled with UPC and DiscID these four numbers should be able to take our title connection to about 99.5% | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: The disc ID is reliable unique as far as the contents of the disc, but the same disc might be release in different packages. Also, you need a parent for things like TV seasons. Don't follow you, Ace. Those are all knowns. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 28 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, we are talking about Disc-IDs and so on, BUT: can someone get the Disc-ID (from "Dread" or "Cabin Fever DC") into the database? I don't have a BD-drive, so I can only provide the information that I have - and so I did.
Also I'm asking why is it so hard for some to understand, that the EAN at the first (cover-)print of "Cabin Fever - Directors Cut" is a mistake by Sunfilm? Maybe the provided cover scan is a fake? Maybe whatever?
When you go to the Sunfilm database you can clearly see the correct EAN (bottom right) for both movies/BDs.
BD: Cabin Fever (DC): http://www.sunfilm.de/de/profile.php?id=659 BD: Dread: http://www.sunfilm.de/de/profile.php?id=626
I really don't understand this discussion. |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting silentsign: Quote: Well, we are talking about Disc-IDs and so on, BUT: can someone get the Disc-ID (from "Dread" or "Cabin Fever DC") into the database? I don't have a BD-drive, so I can only provide the information that I have - and so I did. Quote:
Also I'm asking why is it so hard for some to understand, that the EAN at the first (cover-)print of "Cabin Fever - Directors Cut" is a mistake by Sunfilm? Maybe the provided cover scan is a fake? Maybe whatever? ... Mistake or not, the op says he owns Cabin Fever with this UPC, so BRs with this UPC got sold. The Cabin Fever profile was first in database, so it won. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Silent as Virus noted the OP says he owns the UPC for Cabin Fever. Sun may have made an error, but it appears that some of those errors somehow escaped captivity and found there way into the hands of the buying public, and thus seems to be a legitimate UPC. There are possibilities here like pirates and bootleg and sofortjh but those are only possibilities, Sunfilm is not a major studio and Cabin Fever could hardly be called the type of release that will generate much, if any attention, from bootleggers. So it is most likely a mistake on the part of Sunfilm, given that at least one is known to exist in private hands, it would have seemed the most logical thing for Sunfilm to do would have been to simply change the UPC for the second film, instead of creating confusion, but I gave up trying to figure out the minds in Hollywood a long time ago. There is very little intelligent life out there. Ok, bad joke. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 28 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Mistake or not, the op says he owns Cabin Fever with this UPC, so BRs with this UPC got sold. The Cabin Fever profile was first in database, so it won. Well, great. So lets fill the database with errors. Even though the Disc-ID maybe different for both movies, the EAN is also unique. So we'll have - in this case - a "Dread"-BD with an unique Disc-ID, but without EAN or an existing EAN with a wrong profile. Very good! My suggestion: change the existing wrong EAN from "Cabin Fever DC". It's the easiest way. |
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 28 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote: I find this interesting from a database design perspective in that it shows that neither the UPC nor the Disc ID can relied upon for uniqueness. Perhaps it's time to recommend a composite key that identifies both the UPC and the DiscID as a unique key. The combination of the two is likely to cause more variants of individual titles in the DB, but it does reduce the risk of these types of errors from becoming problematic. 100% agree. Disc-ID and EAN/UPC should be verified together. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Silent: If somebody owns Cabin fever with that UPC then it can hardly be called bad data. This is not an unusual problem it is seen quite frequently in other Regions, I don't know why but it is. Why is it that you feel the need to argue, or pick a fight, with people who are only trying to help you. We have seen this many times over ten years, many times indeed. Ken has not to date felt the need to address the issue specifically. I don't understand your hostility just because some users are trying to help you. Kindly climb down off your high horse and off the back of Virus. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 28 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay, okay. I didn't want to be hostile. Sorry for that.
But then: can please someone provide the Disc-ID's for both movies? That would be more helpful. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | On that I wish I could help you, hopefully someone can | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 124 |
| Posted: | | | | For the Fake part: If you don't believe me, that i own that blu-ray with said upc, i can take a picture with my cellphone as proof. Also: The said UPC has cover scans with that upc. The UPC you say is the right one for cabin fever, also has a back cover scan with the upc we are talking about here and the backcover on ofdb.de (something like a german imdb) also has this upc and no scan has the upc you say is the right one. It's not that i don't understand what you are trying to do, and i agree with you that it would seem better if dread got that upc, but unfortunately this doesn't matter, since there is a rule that has to be followed for these cases. I don't exactly like the rule in this case, but it's Ken's rules. And if every Cabin Fever-Disc that sits in the stores has this UPC, users who buy this discs will expect to find Cabin Fever under this UPC.
For the Disc-ID: I can add the disc-id for Cabin Fever, but i don't own Dread. (i read the shortstory and couldn't imagine that to become an interessting feature long movie). My Brother wanted to buy that disc, i see if he did and if i can borrow it for the disc id. | | | Last edited: by MiDiAN |
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 28 |
| Posted: | | | | That would be helpful. Thanks. |
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