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Is sarcasm bad? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seeing sarcasm used is/can be funny. I enjoy movies and TV shows with sarcastic jokes a lo9t myself.
Being the target of sarcasm is not funny and the "received" will feel ridiculed. It may therefore indeed become the source of a stronger argument, if you don't know the person very well you are using it with. Also, I think sarcasm may be easier brought across verbally, the written form can easily be misunderstood.
Since the atmosphere in this forum is in the dumpster, I would think sarcasm will not be a good start to get to a better level. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian: Ken set that standard more or less himself. Gunnar has a sharp tongue and so do I from time to time. But the environment that the Community has forced Ken into has made all of that bad, hell, I don't know if saw it but last week, I cracked a joke and some user took offense at the joke with something like "Can we please stop, we all know where this is going." Good grief , man it was JOKE, and I even responded with words to the effect that we can't even laugh in here anymore.  No, I am not rolling eyes at you. Gunnar and I have crossed swords more time than i can count, and sometimes our words can be pretty sharp, I can't speak for Gunnar, I can only speak for me. But gunnar is still a friend and I hold him no ill-will of any kind, he can be frustrating and annoying,....yeah...and...so what. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Seeing sarcasm used is/can be funny. I enjoy movies and TV shows with sarcastic jokes a lo9t myself.
Being the target of sarcasm is not funny and the "received" will feel ridiculed. It may therefore indeed become the source of a stronger argument, if you don't know the person very well you are using it with. Also, I think sarcasm may be easier brought across verbally, the written form can easily be misunderstood.
Since the atmosphere in this forum is in the dumpster, I would think sarcasm will not be a good start to get to a better level. I don't know that I agree completely, Achim...but in principle...absolutely | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,628 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, then, I guess I should try to refrain from being sarcastic.
Still, seeing the definition that Charlie posted I'm starting to think that the example that I posted maybe was more irony than sarcasm? Or something else?
I guess the implied question was something like
You are always telling us that you know exactly what the rules mean and how easy it is to follow them. So how come you are now contradicting yourself?
So - if we keep this discussion strictly to language used and not to the points being argued in the example - how wrong was it to change that into "Did the rules change in the meantime" ? That was of course a rhetorical question. We all know that the rules did not change. Was turning it into a rhetorical question more impolite than asking it outright?
I'm more used to debating face to face (and in my native language), so it's sometimes difficult to know where the line is. I'm trying to learn... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sarcasm is very difficult to convey well in writing. Even the best professional writers stumble and fail. The easiest way to have sarcasm work is to say it, where you can catch the listener's eye, and either with a twinkle or a laugh, convey the humor meant. Otherwise most sarcastic humor seems offensive. Smilies can help, but not much. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I usually find sarcasm very funny when it is done in an appropiate way.
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: December 16, 2007 |  Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I usually find sarcasm very funny when it is done in an appropiate way.
Donnie Not possible with sarcasm. You probably mean irony  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sarcasm is bad.
Irony however is allowable, but only if each ironic remark is specifically marked with a smiling emoticon.
Invelos should establish a new forum Written Language Committee. Only that users gain access to this forum who are verifiable gifted in language. Then doubtful word combinations can be discussed and if apllicable classified officially as sarcasm, irony, satire, cynicism or black humor. Furthermore the committee imposes bans autonomous.
To ensure objective debates and quick decisions the rules for the Written Language Committee forum forbid the use of any rhetorical device. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now that is frighteningly funny, bbbbb. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Sarcasm is bad.
Irony however is allowable, but only if each ironic remark is specifically marked with a smiling emoticon.
Invelos should establish a new forum Written Language Committee. Only that users gain access to this forum who are verifiable gifted in language. Then doubtful word combinations can be discussed and if apllicable classified officially as sarcasm, irony, satire, cynicism or black humor. Furthermore the committee imposes bans autonomous.
To ensure objective debates and quick decisions the rules for the Written Language Committee forum forbid the use of any rhetorical device. You shall not pass the Written Language Committee. apllicable -> applicable. | | | | Last edited: by marcelb7 |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Sarcasm is bad.
Irony however is allowable, but only if each ironic remark is specifically marked with a smiling emoticon.
Invelos should establish a new forum Written Language Committee. Only that users gain access to this forum who are verifiable gifted in language. Then doubtful word combinations can be discussed and if apllicable classified officially as sarcasm, irony, satire, cynicism or black humor. Furthermore the committee imposes bans autonomous.
To ensure objective debates and quick decisions the rules for the Written Language Committee forum forbid the use of any rhetorical device. I more and more come to like your humour. First I was tempted to laugh out loud because of the (intended(?)) absurdity. And then realized that, except for the official forum, we are already on the way to your proposal. Operation: MINDCRIME | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 15, 2008 | | Posts: 220 |
| | Posted: | | | | lol @ bbbbb sarcasm is great...but its also very funny when people get upset because they dont realize it is sarcasm  |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,737 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't take it anymore, I have to throw my $.02 in the ring in the form of a "What if" and then I'm gone. What if everyone on the forums who like to put others down, rather than just state their own opinion and let it stand, were put in a room face to face? I'll bet the majority of this constant bickering would evaporate when each person is nose to nose with the people they have all this animosity towards. Either that or there would only be one coming out. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself, but I get so tired of having to read 50 posts to get even 1 that actually has some useful information worth reading.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Sarcasm is bad.
Irony however is allowable, but only if each ironic remark is specifically marked with a smiling emoticon.
Invelos should establish a new forum Written Language Committee. Only that users gain access to this forum who are verifiable gifted in language. Then doubtful word combinations can be discussed and if apllicable classified officially as sarcasm, irony, satire, cynicism or black humor. Furthermore the committee imposes bans autonomous.
To ensure objective debates and quick decisions the rules for the Written Language Committee forum forbid the use of any rhetorical device. Is this sarcasm or irony?  |
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