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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | You could argue that they're not unrated, but the same would hold true for NR. I would have no problem accepting the rating, but the burden of supporting the fact that they are the rated version would fall to the submitter. I do not, however, see the need to add this special case into the rules. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Is it shown when you play the disc? I guess my question is, if it's not shown on the disc, the cover, or when playing the movie, how do you know its the same as the theatrical release?
At any rate I expect those would be quite rare? As best as I can tell, it's fairly common when dealing with Anchor Bay and Criterion, but doesn't really happen otherwise. As to how I know, in some cases, it's listed as the theatrical version on the package. In other cases, the running time is the same as rated versions and no evidence of a difference. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't have many Criterions so that could be where I noticed it. I do have several Anchor Bay movies though.
If it is as rare as it seems I see no reason for a clarification in the rules. I just wanted a rule of thumb to go by. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a problem with any Rule that tells us to enter data that is contrary to what's on the DVD cover or the DVD itself and/or requires knowledge of other DVD releases of the movie !  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I have a problem with any Rule that tells us to enter data that is contrary to what's on the DVD cover or the DVD itself and/or requires knowledge of other DVD releases of the movie !  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: September 6, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 124 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This is an alternative poll along with this one. For those who haven't seen it, go check out the other poll too and give your feedback. The bolded part below is the difference. Now, on to the poll:
This poll is for feedback on the following proposal:
Add Unrated as a rating for US/Canada, with the following criteria:
- NR is never rated
- Unrated is an alternate version of a film which previously received a theatrical rating -OR- a title with "Unrated" on the cover.
Releases which have multiple ratings use the higher rating. R > PG, Unrated > R. I would like to suggest, the following: Add Unrated as a rating for US/Canada, with the following criteria: - Unrated is an alternate version of a film which previously received a theatrical rating -OR- a title with "Unrated" on the cover. - Get rid of the confusing " NR" and replace it with " NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated. Why not keep it simple? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because... just like we want Unrated so it matches the cover... we also want NR in the dropdown as well so those releases the rating on the box matches the cover. Why would we fight to have the missing one added... and yet have one that is there taken away? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: September 6, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 124 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Because... just like we want Unrated so it matches the cover... we also want NR in the dropdown as well so those releases the rating on the box matches the cover. Why would we fight to have the missing one added... and yet have one that is there taken away? Because we are talking about the " Movie" rating. There is not a movie rating of "Not Rated". When the Box says "Not Rated" it means there is "No Movie Rating" | | | | Last edited: by zappman |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting zappman: Quote:
- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple? Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
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- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple?
Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea. I personally disagree. Why make up our own names? A lot of titles show NR or Not Rated. That would be like those of us in the UK asking Exempt to be renamed "Not Rated by the BBFC". |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I personally disagree. Why make up our own names? A lot of titles show NR or Not Rated.
That would be like those of us in the UK asking Exempt to be renamed "Not Rated by the BBFC". That's exactly why. Some titles that have "not rated" printed on the case wouldn't be entered as "not rated" according to this rule. Not calling it "not rated" in the program makes it a lot less confusing. |
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| Registered: September 6, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 124 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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Quoting zappman:
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- Get rid of the confusing "NR" and replace it with "NONE", none would mean the movie has not been rated.
Why not keep it simple?
Yes. That would be a lot easier to understand. Good idea.
I personally disagree. Why make up our own names? A lot of titles show NR or Not Rated.
That would be like those of us in the UK asking Exempt to be renamed "Not Rated by the BBFC". Nope, I am not making anything up. Go to http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means. It lists the ratings as G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17. That is all of the MPAA ratings, there no others. If the movie does not have one of those five ratings, it has "NONE". The "NR" is what is made up, it is not an MPAA rating, and its use is confusing. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting zappman: Quote:
Nope, I am not making anything up.
Go to http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means.
It lists the ratings as G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17.
That is all of the MPAA ratings, there no others.
If the movie does not have one of those five ratings, it has "NONE".
The "NR" is what is made up, it is not an MPAA rating, and its use is confusing. I never mentioned anything about the MPAA ratings. I know that NR isn't an official rating. I said that the titles (DVDs/Blu-ray/etc...) show NR or Not Rated. You're renaming what is used (officially or not) to something of your own choosing. TPTB in film already give us far too many variances in terms used without us creating any more of our own!! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting zappman: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Because... just like we want Unrated so it matches the cover... we also want NR in the dropdown as well so those releases the rating on the box matches the cover. Why would we fight to have the missing one added... and yet have one that is there taken away?
Because we are talking about the "Movie" rating.
There is not a movie rating of "Not Rated".
When the Box says "Not Rated" it means there is "No Movie Rating" Sorry, but no, we are rating the DVD, not the movie. Most of these movies did not make multiple theatrical debuts with different ratings. The reason most "Unrated" versions exist at all, is because a different cut of the movie has been released on DVD (or for cable). | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with hal and Forget. My copy of 'The Alamo', with John Wayne, has Not Rated, in a little ratings box on the back of the case. That is what I want to enter. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with that. I want Not Rated and Unrated. In general I want to enter what is on the package (and where I don't, I don't mind keeping it local). But having the Unrated option would greatly enhance my local as well as the contributable. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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