I think at this point while things are still relatively cool here, we should get Ken to weigh in on what his intent is, since there was a CHANGE to the Rule, what does he want to see.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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we should get Ken to weigh in on what his intent is

I'd like to know that, yeah. I can still see a handful of exceptions as outlined in James' example I quoted earlier, but other than those, I really have no interest in any form of unit crew: crew has gotten far too detailed for the average user already (as several polls have shown), and I really feel we don't need to add much more like this. And as long as the rules say "do not enter unit crew", I won't do so (and will be voting against any contribution adding it).

The additional big problem here is that if these are going to be entered, the users who choose not to have them, are essentially shut off from contributing any crew change to such a profile ever again, because you'd need to accept the unit crew into your database first to be able to contribute a change in one of the other sections. We already have those problems with regards to capitalization and parsing differences, and certain (mis)use of dividers (first you need to adjust your local value to match the db, then contribute the thing you actually wanted to correct, then change your local value(s) back again), and this really would be the final straw, rendering crew contributions simply too big a hassle to even consider... 

I must agree with Skip on this.

If we are going to include "Location" crew then, it is all or nothing.

I personally would like to track "Location Crew" under a heading of some sort.  I have edited 4 titles in the last couple of days, that are extremely lacking in the  online because, almost all of the Art departments are located under "U.K. Crew", or "Canadian Crew" etc. 

I can agree with the fact that we do not include the"2nd units", the are typically filming, for lack of a better term; "filler material". 

Location crews, are filming scenes, directly under the supervision of the director, that are important and contain footage that is important to the story line.

My personal feeling, include them, without exception, as long as they meet the contribution rules on the crew being entered.

As far as contributions, Ken has made it a lot easier to change back and forth.  With "Create Profile file", you are creating a file that is a snapshot of your single profile at the time of file creation.  To resort back to that, just open the profile file, and accept the changes.  It is not a perfect solution, but it is a lot better than trying to manually put everything back in, or using backups.

Charlie.

OMG

I have several documentaries that list underwater film crew - cinematography, camera, sound.  Most documentaries don't list art crew (production design, make up, etc) at all.

I never list the underwater crew, because I believe the current rules exclude them, but if we're going to include location crew I would see no reason to exclude them at that point.  Most of these documentaries have significant portions - often even the majority of the film - underwater.

I think as the Martian noted the keyword is unit. If, as is true with MOST movies it is Underwater Unit then the answer is NO,

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I think as the Martian noted the keyword is unit. If, as is true with MOST movies it is Underwater Unit then the answer is NO,

I don't think the key can be the word unit.  I think you would have to look at what the crew is.

I just did Allan Quartermain, and the crews were listed as "Zimbabwe Unit" "Los Angeles Unit"  aside from have a 2nd Unit.

Charlie

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@ Danae

As they've credited them right next to each other, they obviously consider them of equal or near-equal importance, so I wouldn't vote "no" if that came my way in a profile.

It's just a shame we can't contribute custom role names so we lose the differentiation.

@ Charlie

I agree, making it a blanket ban on the word "unit" over-simplifies the issue and we would lose good credits (and maybe gain some bad ones).

This is just a thought, but maybe we should look at the directors role: if the unit in question has its own director then it doesn't get included. If there is no director credit (ie. the film's director did the job) then we do include them. What do you think?

That could probably be something that I could get behind. I don't think That I have seen any directors in "location units".