Quoting lyonsden5:

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OK - color me    I just came across James' submission. There is a NO vote so I came here to check and saw this thread.

The recently revised rule states:

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Use the Media Companies fields to enter the DVD publishing companies. These are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits.

On the back of the box of the profile I just saw says
copyright 2008 Warner Bros. Entertainment, Inc. Distributed by Warner Home Video

Going by what the rule says it seems to me WBE, Inc would be the media company. It is located right where the rules tell you to look but based on what I've read in this thread that's not correct?!?. 

Much as I hate to say it, the rule is incorrect as the DVD publishing companies are not usually found next to the copyright date.  More often than not, they are  in logo form or preceeded by the phrase "distributed by."  It is the copyright holder, usually the parent company, that is next to the copyright notice.

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If the "distributed by" listing is what should go in the MC field then why didn't Ken just say that when he updated the rules?!? 

This is a question I can't answer, and I do not want to speculate.  All I know is that it's not correct and the inclusion of this information is inaccurate and just makes the data meaningless. 

Quoting lyonsden5:

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Unicus, help me out here please.The profile I am working on has one company listed on the back. It says:

It says copyright 2010 Universal Studios, all right reserved. Then some more blah blah but no other company is listed.

I put the Media Company as Universal Studios. Right or wrong? 

If you are asking my opinion, I would have to say it is wrong.  Depending on the year it was released, it should be 'Universal Studios Home Entertainment' or 'Universal Studios Home Video'.

Unfortunately, based on the rule, it is right. 

Quoting m.cellophane:

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This is not a gotcha game.

I know it isn't, even said so...too many years in these forums just makes it feel that way.  I know you better than that. 

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The Criterion Collection appears in the copyright section right where Warner Bros. Entertainment appears. Right next to the copyright mark. No 'Distributed by' The Criterion Collection. You say we can't go where the rules tell us to go (quoting the rules: "These are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box.") because you want correct data. So Warner Bros. Entertainment is not correct data. The Criterion Collection, appearing in exactly the same location, is wrong too? You've given a definitive answer about Warner that doesn't (to me) seem to work as an answer for other distrubutors. I asked you about how your answer applies to other releases and I'm simply bringing a "media company" that I need the answer for since what I believe the answer to be (The Criterion Collection) is in the same spot where the "incorrect" Warner Bros. Entertainment is, which is "not the company we track". This is not gotcha. I'm confused as to how the spot where the rules direct us is not correct data.

I am a parser, so I try to choose my words carefully.  I did not say it was never found next to the copyright notice.  What I said was, "the rule is incorrect as the DVD publishing companies are not usually found next to the copyright date."  While they can be, based on my experience as a studio buff, it isn't the norm.  As I said, more often than not, they are in logo form or preceeded by the phrase "distributed by."  Unfortunately, that means that, on occasion, they aren't in that format.  This is an area where there isn't an "it is always in this spot" answer.  Believe me, I wish there were. 

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Use the Media Companies fields to enter the DVD publishing companies. These are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits.

The rule does not say that the Media Company has to be the company next to the year of DVD release 

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Quoting lyonsden5:

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Unicus, help me out here please.The profile I am working on has one company listed on the back. It says:

It says copyright 2010 Universal Studios, all right reserved. Then some more blah blah but no other company is listed.

I put the Media Company as Universal Studios. Right or wrong? 

If you are asking my opinion, I would have to say it is wrong.  Depending on the year it was released, it should be 'Universal Studios Home Entertainment' or 'Universal Studios Home Video'.

Unfortunately, based on the rule, it is right. 

In the region 2 area Universal is always (well 99%) credited as Universal Pictures and/or Universal Studios. 'Universal Studios Home Entertainment' and/or 'Universal Studios Home Video' aren't credited anywhere. Not on the back cover, nor in the the DVD credits. We don't track what it should or shouldn't be, but what the DVD and/or the DVD cover tells us. Locally the fields are all yours, but for the online, stick to the rules.

I can't see that Warner Entertainment is disallowed by the rules, but I also don't see the meaning to track it. But I never liked what was done to this field in the first place, it should have remained one field for the distributor only.

BTW, Universal Pictures is a valid media company in the UK at leaast. 

Then it seems to me that the rule needs to be changed. I know in my example

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It says copyright 2010 Universal Studios, all right reserved. Then some more blah blah but no other company is listed.

the only thing I saw was Universal Studio yet I'm told it should be 'Universal Studios Home Entertainment' or 'Universal Studios Home Video' (and I know that's just one person's opinion). How is an average person supposed to figure that out? The rule tells you where to look to get the information to enter. 

If the rule is wrong it should be changed. If it is not then, redundant or not or even "wrong" the information is what is supposed to be in the online db. Those who are in the know can remove the incorrect or redundant information locally. 

If you have to be an expert or check with an expert in order to do the submission something isn't right.

Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.

So far, here in the states DisneyDVD has no definition nor does WDSHE, all Disney Co. in the states are released by BVHE. Warner Entertainment is used only in relation to being the Copyright Holder of the Package design and Artwork....this is uesful? The Distribution remains with Warner Home Video in ALL cases. It just makes NO sense, there is NO publisher listed, and DVDs aren't published anyway (books are published), Label what is that and how do we decide, is DisneyDVD a label? I certainly don't have those answers and i have NEVER seen a single user that does, guesses, but no concrete this is, this is that. The majority of the time we can easily determine the Distributor and always have been able to do. The ONLY time where this data has any value is when a title is licensed to another Distributor by the original, such as the criterion release of The Rock, which if you look at the back you will discover that the title was licensed to Criterion by BVHE. That information does have at least SOME value.  I don't believe that this can be resolved or properly defined, it will remain a bone of contention, yet another bill of goods sold to Ken by some users, who were, at the time, completely incapable of defining what is a label? or even what WDSHE is ( i think they merely manufacture the Discs and pass them off to their sister company BVHE for Distribution), If that is correct why do i care who manufactured the disc, why do you care. What does it tell you that has value.? What is a Label. Is DisneyDVD a label? If it is it is relatively unique in the industry, not entirely, but quite unusual. Iknow that in Europe or at least parts of it BVHE has transitioned to WDSHE, will that happen in the states, it could, will it. I don't know; BVHE/Distribution has a heritage that was created by Walt Disney over 50 years ago, I suspect there are those in the company that would want to respect that heritage, but we will have to wait and see.

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