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Credit or not?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorStaid S Barr
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Yes, of course they go in. These are exactly the make-up effects people we're looking for.

Problem is this depends on special extraneous knowledge.
I could not guess what KNB stands for, and the "supervisors" (on a different line) does not actually specify what they are supervising.
So for most of us, this requires guesswork.
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Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. The table below gives each of the crew roles available within DVD Profiler. For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


I would know if we would apply these on OCB and OMB, there nearly always wouldn't be a credit. But on the other crew parts, where it is possible, imho it should be applied. If we make a exception for Special Make-Up Effects Supervisor, ...what is next?
Then we're at last at a point, everyone can put in the fields what he/she thinks is right. 


Why not applying it to OMB and OCB? I can't find a rule that excludes OMB and OCB from applying the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. That makes it guesswork too and it actually often does considering the many writing questions on the forums.
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Absolutely. I also thinks this isn't perfect in the rules.
The only thing (what's of course is a very personnel opinion) could be that we say the roles that don't have a "credited as" could be treated otherwise. But this is absolutely not satisfying.
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Yes, of course they go in. These are exactly the make-up effects people we're looking for.

Based on what?  If there was a coresponding Make Up Supervisor credit, in the crew chart, I might agree with you, but there isn't.  While these may be the people we are looking for, it isn't the credit we are looking for.  We are looking for a credit of "Make-up Effects" or "Special Make-up Effects [by]".

As can bee seen in the screencap, the credit reads, ""Special Make-up Effects By K.N.B EFX Group, Inc."  While that is the credit we are looking for, because it is a company name, we can't enter it.  Unlike Visual Effects, there is no provision for an individual credit of Supervisor, so it can't be entered.
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While these may be the people we are looking for, it isn't the credit we are looking for.

I'm never looking for credits. I'm tracking the people doing the jobs we track in DVD Profiler. Since Greg Nicotero and Howard Berger were in charge of make-up effects for this movie, I track them as such. The fact that they are, indeed, the people we're looking for is more than enough for me.
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As can bee seen in the screencap, the credit reads, ""Special Make-up Effects By K.N.B EFX Group, Inc."  While that is the credit we are looking for, because it is a company name, we can't enter it.  Unlike Visual Effects, there is no provision for an individual credit of Supervisor, so it can't be entered.

Ah: interesting line of reasoning. So if the credit reads: "Visual Effects by Industrial Light & Magic" with a "Supervisor" credit for, say, John Knoll below it, you wouldn't enter John Knoll as a "Visual Effects Supervisor"? That's what you're saying here, right?

Clearly you did not understand what I wrote.  I thought I was fairly clear, but I will try again...

For Visual Effects, the rules allow individual credits of Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director. Per the rules, a credit of 'Supervisor', under the heading of 'Visual Effects by ILM', is allowed.

Unfortunately there is no such provision, for those individual credits, under Make-up Effects.  I say "unfortunately" because these are the people I want to track...but the rules don't allow it.  I wish they did, but they don't.

Edit:  I see you changed your post while I was responding, but I am going to let this stand.
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I say "unfortunately" because these are the people I want to track...but the rules don't allow it.  I wish they did, but they don't.

As long as we agree that these people should get credited for make-up effects, I'm happy. Me, and about half of the userbase, will continue to enter them - you, along with the other half of the userbase, will continue not to enter them. So as usual, it's the "agree to disagree" outcome again. I'm just glad to see that you do concede that these are indeed the people we're after. After that, we can talk about technicalities until we're blue in the face, but to me, the fact that they are the people that we're supposed to track for this crew category is all that matters.
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