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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Distortion, my rfriend, means NOTHING. You don't describe the distortion, now that i know that you are blowing images up to impossible sizes I know what you are referring to, however the rules don't dictate that, the Invelos standar is 500 x 700. SDistortion can mean a lot of things. I will continue to judge your work as i always do when I can vote yes, i will, but i expect that i will vote No a lot because your work is not as good as you think it is, and blowing it up isn't useful. nor will I leave insulting comments aimed at you, i simply judge your work and i leave as detailed notes about what I see as I have room for.
I am sorry if you don't like it, but that's not my problem. I am honest in my assessment of what i see.
Skip
You didn't read my post. "If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up."
I don't have to blow them up to see the distortion. If there is no room for improving the data, than the database can't get better. If there has to be a "significant" improvement on any data, than there will always be wrong data and inferior images. Well DVDP used to be the only good program out there, but now there is others. Maybe they will be happy to have any improvement over no improvement. The significant improvement applies to cover images presumably to stop hundreds of contributions for one release that would effectively just be ping ponging back and forth between users. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Romzarah, you do some fantastic work with your scans, so please don't let the few no votes get you down. When I see a lone no vote in the midst of 20 positives, I always download your scan locally just in case it doesn't get accepted ( The One immediately comes to mind as it was a very noticeable improvement). From the contributions I've seen, the majority of voters dig your scans, so please keep them coming. I agree with Martian that images are subjective, but your scans are spot on from what I've seen, and most of the voters tend to agree with you. Please keep them coming.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's exactly what I do. I download every scan I vote on that I prefer over the existing one and lock my profile. I also lock my profile if I don't like the scan I am voting on, just in case it get's approved and I miss it when I update. I look at scans at work (I know, I shouldn't but I can't be without profiles all day!) and then at home and the difference between the screens can be huge! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | And of course, everyone has done a proper calibration of their displays both at home and work before scanning and voting, I hope.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: January 11, 2008 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Alien Redrum.
I understand this, just find it hard to think anyone can't see the improvements in most my scans. I am more thick skined than some people, but find it hard to deal with people who don't care about quality.
To me any improvement is better than none. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
And of course, everyone has done a proper calibration of their displays both at home and work before scanning and voting, I hope. Not to forget viewing the images in the exact same lighting conditions every time  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
You didn't read my post. "If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up."
I don't have to blow them up to see the distortion. If there is no room for improving the data, than the database can't get better. If there has to be a "significant" improvement on any data, than there will always be wrong data and inferior images. Well DVDP used to be the only good program out there, but now there is others. Maybe they will be happy to have any improvement over no improvement. Why must you make this personal? Why do you believe you are the only one that is right and, anybody that doesn't see it the way you do, is wrong or has an inferior system? If Skip were the only one voting 'no', you might have a case here, but he isn't so why call him out? Bottom line, everybody sees things differently. For the most part, your scans are better than the existing ones, but not all of them are. Just let the screeners decide and be done with it. I see no need to raise a fuss here in the forums. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Distortion, my rfriend, means NOTHING. You don't describe the distortion, now that i know that you are blowing images up to impossible sizes I know what you are referring to, however the rules don't dictate that, the Invelos standar is 500 x 700. SDistortion can mean a lot of things. I will continue to judge your work as i always do when I can vote yes, i will, but i expect that i will vote No a lot because your work is not as good as you think it is, and blowing it up isn't useful. nor will I leave insulting comments aimed at you, i simply judge your work and i leave as detailed notes about what I see as I have room for.
I am sorry if you don't like it, but that's not my problem. I am honest in my assessment of what i see.
Skip
You didn't read my post. "If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up."
I don't have to blow them up to see the distortion. If there is no room for improving the data, than the database can't get better. If there has to be a "significant" improvement on any data, than there will always be wrong data and inferior images. Well DVDP used to be the only good program out there, but now there is others. Maybe they will be happy to have any improvement over no improvement. What you miss Rom is that most of your work actually degrades the images as I have explained. you soften them losing detail, Alien mentioned The One and what i saw was gross lack of detail in jet Li's hair on the front cover, making it look like the helmet hair of VHS days. You wash out the colors consistently, sometimes you tweak White levels to the point that they bloom BADLY. the Rules call for significant IMPROVEMNENT, not ANY improvement. I mean no offense, but you clearly have a high opinion of what you do and i frankly thinks its pretty bad. First you insult me in your contribution notes and now you insult me by implying that i am not allowed to voice my opinion when I think your work is bad, which it usually is...to my eyes VERY bad. I am sorry, but as others have noted it is subjective. I will vote yes when i can, you did a nice job on One Million Years BC, but most of the time, I see you as actually significantly degrading the image. I think it's too bad that you felt it necessary to bring it here, I could make some conclusions but I won't. As I said I will continue to watch your work and i will vote yes when my conscience allows, based on the past I expect that to be infrequent. But I will not vote yes just because you contributed something and you have a high opinion of the result which i don't share. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
Thanks Alien Redrum.
I understand this, just find it hard to think anyone can't see the improvements in most my scans. I am more thick skined than some people, but find it hard to deal with people who don't care about quality.
To me any improvement is better than none. Therein lies part of the rub. Tjhe Rules state significant improvement not ANY improvement, but especially wjhen you are degrading the overall image to begin with, which oft times offsets any potentila minor improvement you make. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Romzarah, you do some fantastic work with your scans, so please don't let the few no votes get you down. When I see a lone no vote in the midst of 20 positives, I always download your scan locally just in case it doesn't get accepted (The One immediately comes to mind as it was a very noticeable improvement).
From the contributions I've seen, the majority of voters dig your scans, so please keep them coming.
I agree with Martian that images are subjective, but your scans are spot on from what I've seen, and most of the voters tend to agree with you.
Please keep them coming. I am complete agreement. On a rare occasion I have voted no but, without exception, you have taken my opinion to heart and tried to fix the problem. Please continue your good work - most of your scans will be accepted. On the rare exception they don't - I don't worry about it because I've already copied them too! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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well it WAS a nice couple of days... 
Was that really necessary? No, but neither was that ^  Couldn't help but notice it had been a couple of days since we had one of these "spirited" debates. I was just pointing out how nice it was, nothing more, nothing less. Just an observation. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | PErsoinally I like most of the scans Romzarah is submitting. I do agree some are hardly better, but I just vote neutral on those and will trust Invelos to decide. I've yet to see one I would vote NO to though. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Romzarah: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Distortion, my rfriend, means NOTHING. You don't describe the distortion, now that i know that you are blowing images up to impossible sizes I know what you are referring to, however the rules don't dictate that, the Invelos standar is 500 x 700. SDistortion can mean a lot of things. I will continue to judge your work as i always do when I can vote yes, i will, but i expect that i will vote No a lot because your work is not as good as you think it is, and blowing it up isn't useful. nor will I leave insulting comments aimed at you, i simply judge your work and i leave as detailed notes about what I see as I have room for.
I am sorry if you don't like it, but that's not my problem. I am honest in my assessment of what i see.
Skip
You didn't read my post. "If your system was so good you would see it as I do, even without blowing the image up."
I don't have to blow them up to see the distortion. If there is no room for improving the data, than the database can't get better. If there has to be a "significant" improvement on any data, than there will always be wrong data and inferior images. Well DVDP used to be the only good program out there, but now there is others. Maybe they will be happy to have any improvement over no improvement. Just wanted to post this to show you the official response from Invelos to such questions. Note that this is only about images not profile data. Quoting Gerri Cole:Quote:
Contributions with no votes are not declined based on not getting votes.
As stated, updating images require a significant increase in quality in order to get approved. It is usually good in the case of submitting a slightly better scan to point out differences that can be seen.
I looked at one of the contributions, and the notes stated that the aspect ratio was being changed to 1.78:1, but in fact you were changing it to 1.85:1.
It seems like either the contribution or notes were in error. I would suggest you resubmit correcting either the notes or the aspect ratio and point out the specific improvements in your scan.
-Gerri See what I put in bold. This is the reason I don't vote on most your scans. As I tend to see in some areas it looks better... but in other areas it went down in quality compared to the other images. And I just can't decide if it is enough to me to vote no or not. So I just vote neutral on most of the ones I have seen. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Definitely an improvement. I do such updates myself. The old system didn't have as high quality as the current one, so most scans are being replaced, which IMO is a really good thing.
Also this is not a case of having a small monitor (DVDP doesn't even support such resolutions) or a subjective matter. Old ones have huge distortion because of the way Invelos used to convert the images. Luckily this has changed, and even more luckily some users are willing to do the work to replace the old crap. | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Whispering:
I have checked numerous of my old images against my file copies. yes there is a difference, even in color sometimes.... a very subtle difference...not something that i would be willing to resubmit as it does not represent a significant improvement, let alone degrading the image as i have seen many do. I look for a significant improvement as the Rules call for and even then an improvement in one area if it results in an overall degrading of the image is not good enough.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Whispering:
I have checked numerous of my old images against my file copies. yes there is a difference, even in color sometimes.... a very subtle difference...not something that i would be willing to resubmit as it does not represent a significant improvement, let alone degrading the image as i have seen many do. I look for a significant improvement as the Rules call for and even then an improvement in one area if it results in an overall degrading of the image is not good enough.
Skip If you would NOW buy the DVD, wouldn't you want to get the better images when you add the DVD to your collection? I know i would. |
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