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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Who are these many people? Is there anything like this in the DB besides Blade Runner? Also, how are these not covered in the rules? It says what do to do when there are multiple cuts. Putting them on different discs doesn't throw it into a new category. |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
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Didn't we just have this same exact discussion? Many people, and it is fine by me, have been treating these like TV Series sets. Full parent profile, with child profiles for those that want them. As these sets aren't really addressed in the rules, I have no problem with it. I don't see why anybody would...everybody gets what they want and should be happy with that.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Who are these many people? You have heard from a few in this thread. Quote:
Is there anything like this in the DB besides Blade Runner? I believe one of the other ones that has come up before is Brazil...though I am not 100% on that. Quote:
Also, how are these not covered in the rules? It says what do to do when there are multiple cuts. Putting them on different discs doesn't throw it into a new category. It's late and I do not have time to go through all of the rules. Off the top of my head, however, the only palce I can remember multiple cuts being mentioned is in the 'Running Time' section. In that case, they do specify "on the same disc." If it is mentioned in another section, I assume you believe it is or you wouldn't have mentioned it, please be so kind as to point it out.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It's late and I do not have time to go through all of the rules. Off the top of my head, however, the only palce I can remember multiple cuts being mentioned is in the 'Running Time' section. In that case, they do specify "on the same disc." If it is mentioned in another section, I assume you believe it is or you wouldn't have mentioned it, please be so kind as to point it out. That's the part in running time you thought of: Quote:
For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time. Exception: If the longer version is available only as part of an Easter Egg, use the shorter running time. But we also have this under the "Disc Features" Section (Last sentence bolded by me): Quote:
Examples of valid Other Features:
•Trivia Tracks
•Radio Spots
•Film Introductions (which were not part of the original theatrical release)
•Indications for multiple versions of a film Now we can try to assume something into these rules. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It's late and I do not have time to go through all of the rules. Off the top of my head, however, the only palce I can remember multiple cuts being mentioned is in the 'Running Time' section. In that case, they do specify "on the same disc." If it is mentioned in another section, I assume you believe it is or you wouldn't have mentioned it, please be so kind as to point it out. So the other cuts are special features, then. The rules tell under what circumstances you can make child profiles and this isn't one of them. It's not a box set. They aren't bonus feature films and they are bonus DVDs in a blu-ray (though that hasn't even been incorporated into the rules). |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be complete, these are the parts in "Box Sets" section ... Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. ... and for bonus feature films. Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the essential question is: Is a different cut of a movie a different film? Until we don't have a statement from Invelos or a overwork of the rules, it's just what we think. And we've all different opinions.   Even if I don't think a different cut makes a different film, I see that treating as box set or bonus feature film brings much benefits: - running time matched to the different movies - cast/crew exactly tracked, if different in the cuts - the possibility to treat both as seperate movie (mark as seen, ...) ... |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Who are these many people? Is there anything like this in the DB besides Blade Runner? Also, how are these not covered in the rules? It says what do to do when there are multiple cuts. Putting them on different discs doesn't throw it into a new category. Yes, we had a discussion on Close Encounters of the Third Kind 30th Anniversary. It has the theatrical Cut It has the Special Edition It has the Directors Cut All three on separate discs The general consensus, i believe, was not a box set or bonus feature film (although I disagree). Charlie |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
...Yes, we had a discussion on Close Encounters of the Third Kind 30th Anniversary.
It has the theatrical Cut
It has the Special Edition
It has the Directors Cut
All three on separate discs
The general consensus, i believe, was not a box set or bonus feature film (although I disagree).
Charlie If you're interested in reading: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=423461&PageNum=1Btw, I don't think we came to more than we had in this thread.  |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, the Criterion release of Brazil is another example. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | What about the Dawn of the Dead ultimate Edition? Same movie, plenty of different cuts. I really don't understand why people look for stirring things up. The way these sets are handled "should" please everybody as many other users said before, but still somebody comes along and wants to change it. Why? I say it again, if Invelos wouldn't want these child profiles they would not have been approved for all those given examples.
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Brazil is different mainly because the discs have individual packaging.. Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate Edition doesn't have child profiles. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are correct about the DOTD Ultimate Edition but that doesn't change my opinion. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Didn't we just have this same exact discussion? Many people, and it is fine by me, have been treating these like TV Series sets. Full parent profile, with child profiles for those that want them. As these sets aren't really addressed in the rules, I have no problem with it. I don't see why anybody would...everybody gets what they want and should be happy with that. Precisely. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed. What's the point of denying fellow users profiles for each cut containing correct data for that particular cut? If you don't want them, don't download them. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Brazil is different mainly because the discs have individual packaging.. Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate Edition doesn't have child profiles. I am sorry, but this distinction isn't in the rules...besides, that isn't your argument. Your argument is that they don't qualify for the bonus feature film rule because they are different cuts of the same film. The fact that Brazil has individual packaging doesn't change anything. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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