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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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It is not a stand alone review, but instead it is a sentence describing the film by incorporating three reviews into that one sentence.  Overviews do this all the time.  Being the first sentence (and paragraph) of the Overview does not mean it's not part of the Overview.

If there were no pictures, and just a paragraph spacing between that sentence and the rest of the Overview, it would not even have come up as a question.
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It is not a stand alone review, but instead it is a sentence describing the film by incorporating three reviews into that one sentence.  Overviews do this all the time.  Being the first sentence (and paragraph) of the Overview does not mean it's not part of the Overview.

If there were no pictures, and just a paragraph spacing between that sentence and the rest of the Overview, it would not even have come up as a question.

BUT, Hal there are pictures and they physically separate what you claim is part of the overview from the actual synopsis.

One more comment I don't feel the need to see my name in lights on any profile, I only want correct data and i don't see why controversies have to be started because of differing points of view, and in this case there is definitely room for differing points of view. I sometimeshave to wonder if people, look for these kind of things, simply to create chaos in the Foprums. Were I Terry, I would have put what I thought was the Overview in my local, recognized that there was certainly room for differing opinions and have been done with it. I can promise you that if it is approved, it will not be in my data, because I have a different opinion from him.

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BUT, Hal there are pictures and they physically separate what you claim is part of the overview from the actual synopsis.

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There is only one problem with this argument.  The Rules say nothing about a physical separation.
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I was inclined to say no too at first, but this Rule:

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Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)


Sure seems to authorize it as part of the Overview.  Part of the discomfort is that it's just hype, rather than actual content, but under the terms of the Rule I guess it's in.
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The one thing that makes this case uncertain is the physical separation of the bottom overview are from what could be considered the start, above the image.  The rules don't say anything about physical separation, but nor do they say anything about a different font, color, or anything else that could be a separator.  In fact all they say is essentially don't include it in the overview if it's not part of the overview.  Seems less than helpful in this context.

If this is a relatively unique case, I'd say let the voters decide it.  If it is more common, let's examine some more examples and if necessary I'll make a ruling.
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The one thing that makes this case uncertain is the physical separation of the bottom overview are from what could be considered the start, above the image.  The rules don't say anything about physical separation, but nor do they say anything about a different font, color, or anything else that could be a separator.  In fact all they say is essentially don't include it in the overview if it's not part of the overview.  Seems less than helpful in this context.

If this is a relatively unique case, I'd say let the voters decide it.  If it is more common, let's examine some more examples and if necessary I'll make a ruling.


Just checked my whole collection and have nothing quite like it. There are some that are close but not separated quite like this one is.
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But how is it any different from the examples I provided?

Like I said I don't have this and I don't have any movie in my collection with a retarded overview like that. So it's just the way I would do it if it would happen with one of my film. Nothing more, nothing less
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The one thing that makes this case uncertain is the physical separation of the bottom overview are from what could be considered the start, above the image.  The rules don't say anything about physical separation, but nor do they say anything about a different font, color, or anything else that could be a separator.  In fact all they say is essentially don't include it in the overview if it's not part of the overview.  Seems less than helpful in this context.

If this is a relatively unique case, I'd say let the voters decide it.  If it is more common, let's examine some more examples and if necessary I'll make a ruling.

Thank you for disproving the rumor that we have physical separation and font/color rules for overviews.

Here's an example where physical separation and font changes were used to remove the top paragraph of the overview:
...James

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IMO the 1st paragraph is just that, the 1st paragraph. Not sure how or why it would have been removed... 
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The rules don't specify what specific characteristics to look for when determining what is part of the overview.  That doesn't mean that physical separation and font/color cannot be used for determining this.
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A broader definition might say that any apparent paragraph which is dedicated to accolades, at either the front or back end, should be excluded.  Thoughts?

After all, font changes are sometimes embedded in what is clearly the overview.  Similarly, images are sometimes interspersed.  The crux is whether the paragraph or sentence is dedicated to accolades, and is not surrounded by what otherwise is clearly overview.
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The rules don't specify what specific characteristics to look for when determining what is part of the overview.  That doesn't mean that physical separation and font/color cannot be used for determining this.

Yes, it's a judgment call, not a rule.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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A broader definition might say that any apparent paragraph which is dedicated to accolades, at either the front or back end, should be excluded.  Thoughts?


Apparent to who would be the issue I see.  Seems like it would add more trouble than it's worth.
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The rules don't specify what specific characteristics to look for when determining what is part of the overview.  That doesn't mean that physical separation and font/color cannot be used for determining this.

Yes, it's a judgment call, not a rule.

Precisely correct, james, which is why I NEVER Contribute such issues. As I said I recognize that there are time when it is simply a different viewpoint. What makes one viewpoint better than the next, i just set it as i want locally, in such instances, and leave it alone.

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Simplified further:

"Exclude any paragraph dedicated to accolades."
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The rules don't specify what specific characteristics to look for when determining what is part of the overview.  That doesn't mean that physical separation and font/color cannot be used for determining this.

Yes, it's a judgment call, not a rule.

Precisely correct, james, which is why I NEVER Contribute such issues. As I said I recognize that there are time when it is simply a different viewpoint. What makes one viewpoint better than the next, i just set it as i want locally, in such instances, and leave it alone.

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You're the one that removed the top paragraph of the Mask overview. LINK

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Restored Correct Overview per Back Cover
  Note for James please take note that what you consider a part of the Overview is in a a different typeface from the rest of the what is really the Overview.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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