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Can the online Disc IDs please be removed entirely for The Fresh Prince: Season 3 (R2 UK)? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
I can't think of a single UK-locality DVD release that I've seen that is encoded as NTSC. I just don't think it would happen, except by mistake. There are too many old TVs out there that don't support NTSC frequencies. Yes, newer TVs are bi-frequency, but DVD technology is old and has to work on old equipment.
Region 0 discs are normally encoded for the region that they are released in, so NTSC in Region 1, PAL in Region 2, etc. If you buy Region 0 NTSC discs in the UK, they will be imports, so not native UK-locality (with UPC code, not EAN). 5035822402539, yes that's an EAN for All the Real Girls R2UK, is NTSC. I'm sure there are more. Region 2 does include both PAL and NTSC countries so your assumption is wrong. As for disc IDs, they should never be copied from one profile to another. There used to be a safety against that in the program but it seems to have been removed for some reason...  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
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I can't say for certain either, but it seems very likely that they have just been copied over. Even the disc descriptions are identical, such as 'Episodes 19-24 & Bonus Features'.
Would it harm to have these removed on the Region 2 profile until someone can prove that the Disc ID's ARE valid for this Region? There is no documentation to support it at all and the original contribution by 'sgayler' in October 2008 purely says 'New UK DVD' which doesn't explain where the information came from in any way. I don't know, Grey. I don't like to make assumptions and just say they are bad DiscIDs, I think they probably relative Region 2 UK, but I am more likely to swear at it, than to swear to it. I would probably think the BEST answer is to simply send up the corrected Profile and include your Disc ID data as if it were just another set of IDs, unless as Virus Pil there are differences in content, because in that regard I think he is correct. I think Disc IDs are handled by the Distributors like a book pressing. Different content would have a completely different Disc ID and thus be a different release. Skip Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
5035822402539, yes that's an EAN for All the Real Girls R2UK, is NTSC. I'm sure there are more. Are you sure that was sold in the UK, not imported from another locality? I really would have to see it to believe it, as Googling that code and also just looking at that title (on UK e-tailers) list PAL as the format (or blank), but not a single NTSC. Quote:
Region 2 does include both PAL and NTSC countries so your assumption is wrong. Okay, let me re-word it to "Region 0 discs are normally encoded for the locality that they are released in, so NTSC in Region 1, PAL in Region 2 (except Japan, which is NTSC), etc" I can only think of Japan that is a Region 2 country that uses NTSC, and is there a UK/Japanese release that shares the same encoded DVDs? Blu-rays yes, but DVDs?  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
Skip Two disc with different data (subtitles, audio etc.) can't have the same disc id. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
Quoting Kinoniki:
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5035822402539, yes that's an EAN for All the Real Girls R2UK, is NTSC. I'm sure there are more.
Are you sure that was sold in the UK, not imported from another locality? I really would have to see it to believe it, as Googling that code and also just looking at that title (on UK e-tailers) list PAL as the format (or blank), but not a single NTSC.
I don't know about that one but the UK DVD of the 10th Kingdom (0685738272822) is definitely NTSC. They even added the info to the front cover because it's so uncommon. |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I've submitted all my information now that it's complete. (With my Disc IDs replacing the other ones.)
I hope that maybe we can get the incorrect Disc IDs withdrawn completely from this profile later on.
I now see that they are definitely different discs.
Subtitiles are different. Audio tracks are different.
Disc IDs and labels are different...
Incorrect (USA Region 1)
Episodes 1-6 THE_FRESH_PRINCE_YEAR3_DISC1[313DEC6685C1DB5F] DL
Episodes 7-12 THE_FRESH_PRINCE_YEAR3_DISC2[26A602390711036E] DL
Episodes 13-18 THE_FRESH_PRINCE_YEAR3_DISC3[AFEF25FEF5C23705] DL
Episodes 19-24 & Bonus Materials
THE_FRESH_PRINCE_YEAR3_DISC4[FFC7D5A2DD3F67BE] DL
Correct (UK Region 2,4 & 5)
Episodes 1-6 FRESH_PRINCE_OF_BEL_AIR_S3_D1[91CD3CAE03AD2A83] DL
Episodes 7-12 FRESH_PRINCE_OF_BEL_AIR_S3_D2[D22CA9DC5E08D39F] DL
Episodes 13-18 FRESH_PRINCE_OF_BEL_AIR_S3_D3[4968CDCE234A35F3] DL
Episodes 19-24 FRESH_PRINCE_OF_BEL_AIR_S3_D4[799F3B2C48CED850] DL | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
Quoting Kinoniki:
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5035822402539, yes that's an EAN for All the Real Girls R2UK, is NTSC. I'm sure there are more.
Are you sure that was sold in the UK, not imported from another locality? I really would have to see it to believe it, as Googling that code and also just looking at that title (on UK e-tailers) list PAL as the format (or blank), but not a single NTSC.
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Region 2 does include both PAL and NTSC countries so your assumption is wrong.
Okay, let me re-word it to
"Region 0 discs are normally encoded for the locality that they are released in, so NTSC in Region 1, PAL in Region 2 (except Japan, which is NTSC), etc"
I can only think of Japan that is a Region 2 country that uses NTSC, and is there a UK/Japanese release that shares the same encoded DVDs? Blu-rays yes, but DVDs? I don't need to convince you, just look at the profile. Since I own it and bought it I know that it is NTSC and that's also what the cover says. If you want further examples of region 0/2 profiles in NTSC but released in Europe, look at the Swedish releases from Studio S Entertainment, eg. Lady Snowblood. I have a whole bunch of those. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
I don't need to convince you, just look at the profile. Since I own it and bought it I know that it is NTSC and that's also what the cover says.
If you want further examples of region 0/2 profiles in NTSC but released in Europe, look at the Swedish releases from Studio S Entertainment, eg. Lady Snowblood. I have a whole bunch of those. What I said was Quote:
I can't think of a single UK-locality DVD release that I've seen that is encoded as NTSC I didn't say "Europe", I said "UK" And quite honestly, looking at the profile proves very little, as GreyHulk's exposé of this profile shows. But I am not trying to argue  Quoting FtR: Quote:
I don't know about that one but the UK DVD of the 10th Kingdom (0685738272822) is definitely NTSC. They even added the info to the front cover because it's so uncommon. I truely wonder if that was actually made for the UK market, or whether it ended up being grey-imported due to there being no UK release at the time. It's odd, because there was a R2 PAL release done for the Netherlands. Would be hard one to answer, so I will have to take that as a UK NTSC release, which is just poor  It's bad enough when computer programs only allow mm/dd/yyyy date formats, regardless of your regional settings ...  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know about the UK, but I do know Warner has released some NTSC multi-region title in Australia (example: Batman: Sub-Zero). No reason to think that's the case here, though. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
Quoting Lewpy:
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I can't think of a single UK-locality DVD release that I've seen that is encoded as NTSC. I just don't think it would happen, except by mistake. There are too many old TVs out there that don't support NTSC frequencies. Yes, newer TVs are bi-frequency, but DVD technology is old and has to work on old equipment.
Region 0 discs are normally encoded for the region that they are released in, so NTSC in Region 1, PAL in Region 2, etc. If you buy Region 0 NTSC discs in the UK, they will be imports, so not native UK-locality (with UPC code, not EAN).
5035822402539, yes that's an EAN for All the Real Girls R2UK, is NTSC. I'm sure there are more.
Region 2 does include both PAL and NTSC countries so your assumption is wrong.
As for disc IDs, they should never be copied from one profile to another. There used to be a safety against that in the program but it seems to have been removed for some reason... You can have the same disc ID for a different profile, in a different locality. So making a copy can have its use. As for NTSC in region 2, the only country that has that is Japan. Not often causing confusion. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
Skip
Two disc with different data (subtitles, audio etc.) can't have the same disc id. Correct. In this particular case: IF the information on the R1 US profile is correct, then there is no way these disc IDs could match a UK release with different audio, subtitles, disc contents etc. I would suggest to contact Ken (e.g. by opening a support ticket) to get the US Disc IDs removed from the UK profile. |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Correct. In this particular case: IF the information on the R1 US profile is correct, then there is no way these disc IDs could match a UK release with different audio, subtitles, disc contents etc.
I would suggest to contact Ken (e.g. by opening a support ticket) to get the US Disc IDs removed from the UK profile. What also may work is what people do to remove profiles that are in the wrong (often UK) locality: replace the Title with "Please remove this profile" and explain in the contribution notes. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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Correct. In this particular case: IF the information on the R1 US profile is correct, then there is no way these disc IDs could match a UK release with different audio, subtitles, disc contents etc.
I would suggest to contact Ken (e.g. by opening a support ticket) to get the US Disc IDs removed from the UK profile.
What also may work is what people do to remove profiles that are in the wrong (often UK) locality: replace the Title with "Please remove this profile" and explain in the contribution notes. I've done this before with two profiles I found which were the wrong locality. They got voted positive and then approved yet have not been changed. :S | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 252 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
It's bad enough when computer programs only allow mm/dd/yyyy date formats, regardless of your regional settings ... At the risk of probably mininterpreting an ironic humor moment, Gadgeteer recently spotted a fix for this (re Profiler.)  |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Cyclograph: Quote:
Quoting Lewpy:
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It's bad enough when computer programs only allow mm/dd/yyyy date formats, regardless of your regional settings ...
At the risk of probably mininterpreting an ironic humor moment, Gadgeteer recently spotted a fix for this (re Profiler.) It wasn't actually aimed at DVDP  I work in the IT Professional Services industry, and the number of programs that don't support internationalisation of date formats is [personally] annoying  What's worse is when a program did support it, and then they release a major updated version that doesn't  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
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