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Puppeteers...when to include? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
One thing I can't understand, is those that vote for never include them.
There are puppeteers credited in the middle of a cast list with associated role name and we are to leave those out? I would appreciate if someone could explain why to me.
I voted for the 'When credited with a specific role', but could also have gone with 'When part of standard credits'.
Always isn't an option for me since that includes people flapping wings etc. To me, those puppeteers are crew and not cast. Gave this some more thought... and changed my vote to "only when there is a specific role role attached" | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't want them in my local DB when there is just a long list of people credited as puppeteers, but when there is a role attached I'm for including them - but please not 'When part of standard credits', there would be too many discussions coming from that. | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Well, I find your poll misleading. What does ALWAYS Include mean? The poll is not misleading. 'Always' means exactly that, always. In other words, if they are credited, they get entered in the cast section. If you prefer to have them entered only when part of the 'standard credits', then that is the way you should vote. I am just trying to figure out how the community feels about this issue so that Ken will have that information. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Changed my vote to ALWAYS. If it's going to go down that path, and since it doesn't matter to me either way, I'd rather support ALWAYS than anything else. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to add to my opinion of earlier, I'd like to say that if there was a way to track a specific actress/actor/crew member across both the Cast and Crew databases rather than them both being separate lists, I would have voted for "Only if a role was given". That would make it pretty straight forward in where you would enter a given puppeteer and would lead to zero confusion. It would also allow those who are interested in the puppeteers in general to see who worked on what films in an all conclusive list.
But since that isn't the case, and cast and crew are completely separated in the program, I'd rather see them all in one spot, be that cast or crew. Out of the two, cast seems more logical since you'll lose role names if they were put into the crew section. If role names were somehow able to be included into a new Puppeteer section of the crew in the rare instance one was given, that would also be an option I'd get behind.
Regardless of whether we track them or not, I'd say with the way the programs stands at the moment, always and in the Cast section makes the most sense. That is my opinion on the matter. | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Vittra: If they were listed appropriately, Ken could create the desired system now OR we would have another club to beat him with for Cast/Crew cross-referencing.   Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I voted for only when associated with a particular role.
I feel this would allow a puppeteer to be included, for a specific person no matter where he is included within the credits. I am like others who expressed, that just to have a list of puppeteers without knowing what character they were, or as someone else said "wings flapping" is not my idea of cast.
I feel most puppeteers are more a part of the crew, similar to special or visual effects. they are mostly there to create an image or effect. This would be like stunt people, or ADR voices. They typically are not credited with any particular role, and are more an effect than anything else.
Edit, thinking about it, how are puppeteers any different than the modelers of films, you know the ones that create models and create an effect of motion (spaceships, new age armored vehicles, etc) | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Vittra:
If they were listed appropriately, Ken could create the desired system now OR we would have another club to beat him with for Cast/Crew cross-referencing.
Skip I would be all for Cast/Crew cross-referencing, and as I said, if this were the case, I would change my decision. But as it stands, we don't have that and with how important linking seems to be to Ken, I'm not holding my breath for any type of change in that matter soon. So I'm sticking with my initial opinion as it stands.  | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Vittra:
A fine point for you. I expect that Ken will cross ref Cast/Crew in 4.0. IF we enter the data appropriately now as I have described, then when he gives the Cross ref, the system is in place and the cross refs will be done already. Following your way then we will have to go back and unscamble a mess.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Vittra:
A fine point for you. I expect that Ken will cross ref Cast/Crew in 4.0. IF we enter the data appropriately now as I have described, then when he gives the Cross ref, the system is in place and the cross refs will be done already. Following your way then we will have to go back and unscamble a mess.
Skip You suspecting isn't really any concrete information. As much as I would hope so, I'm not counting on it. If Ken were to say that it was something he's working on, then and only then would I vote differently. If he were to come on here and state as such (hint hint ) then I would vote to only include in cast if a role was given. Otherwise crew. Regardless of where they are put in the credits. | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Vittra:
A fine point for you. I expect that Ken will cross ref Cast/Crew in 4.0. IF we enter the data appropriately now as I have described, then when he gives the Cross ref, the system is in place and the cross refs will be done already. Following your way then we will have to go back and unscamble a mess.
Skip Ken has never (as far as I can recall) indicated that he has ever considered merging cast and crew names. Expecting this in 4.0 is extremely wishful thinking. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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Vittra:
A fine point for you. I expect that Ken will cross ref Cast/Crew in 4.0. IF we enter the data appropriately now as I have described, then when he gives the Cross ref, the system is in place and the cross refs will be done already. Following your way then we will have to go back and unscamble a mess.
Skip
Ken has never (as far as I can recall) indicated that he has ever considered merging cast and crew names. Expecting this 3.4 is extremely wishful thinking. Uh Huh! Bellieve as you wish, james. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am sorry, but I am with James on this. You may 'guess' that it is going to be in the next version, but that doesn't make it so. Even if it were, we don't write rules for what might be in a future release of the program, we write rules for what the program can do now. To do anything else makes no sense at all.
Now, if Ken confirms that this is going to happen, I might change my mind, but it has no bearing on this issue as I am trying to find out what people want. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Did I say the next version, Martian, I don't believe. I made aspecific statement based on very specific Programming Conventions. There could be a lot of room between 3.6 and 4.0, but the reason doesn't change. I won't say that I think 4.0 is next up to bat...but the reason for the cross-referencing possibility in 4.0 remains, but not likely beforehand. This also does not change what I said relative cross-referencing and short-sightedly creating a major mess which we would have to manually unscramble when it comes. No thank you, I am not into creating messes which just a little bit of intelligent foresight can prevent. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | That doesn't change anything. I refuse to base my decisions on "the cross-referencing possibility in 4.0." I deal with the here and now, not the maybe someday.
Not that it matters as we are just users. Even if the majority decides they want to credit all puppeteers with cast, Ken will have the final say. If he says no, I can live with it. I'm easy that way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
|  | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting Woola:
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Vittra:
A fine point for you. I expect that Ken will cross ref Cast/Crew in 4.0. IF we enter the data appropriately now as I have described, then when he gives the Cross ref, the system is in place and the cross refs will be done already. Following your way then we will have to go back and unscamble a mess.
Skip
Ken has never (as far as I can recall) indicated that he has ever considered merging cast and crew names. Expecting this 3.4 is extremely wishful thinking.
Uh Huh! Bellieve as you wish, james.
Skip You love walking the thin line with regards to: Quoting forum rules: Quote:
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