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Is this an 'Edition'?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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Also, no need to say DVD or digital copy as that is put in the other features section...


By that logic, you should never use the edition field at all. The field is so that you can distinguish editions without looking at the full profile.


As has been said, there's nothing to distinguish, there are no other Monsters Inc. editions on Blu-ray and there won't be for some time.
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As has been said, there's nothing to distinguish, there are no other Monsters Inc. editions on Blu-ray and there won't be for some time.


Releasing it without the digital copy isn't necessarily a new eidition with new special features. I don't know how Disney does it, but in Warner's case, the digital copies have a window of about a year from release where you can activate them and they stop including them after some point.

Besides, precedent is we enter what's on the banner even if there is no other edition to compare with. We didn't wait until 2006 to add the special edition banner to The Magnificent Seven, even though that was the only edition up to that point. Bottom line is this info is on a banner on the cover of the type used to distinguish editions and in some cases, it does in fact distinguish editions. A general rule is preferable over hair-splitting when possible. I don't want somethign that says to enter the digital copy in the edition field of Wall-E but not Monsters, Inc even though they are written the same way on the cover because it's confusing and burdensome to users and which camp a given movie falls in can change at any moment.

Also, there's no support for this in the rules, which say "If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. " Notice it says "will" not "does." In this case, it is taken from the cover and will distinguish between editions if other editions are released. This last point is important as it applies to the initial release of any movie.
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Now, my personal opinion, although I will probably be "virtually" shot ---

If it is included within another section (features, video) then it does not belong in the edition field.

I can understand things like "Directors Cut" "Special Edition" (although sometimes not so special), "Criterian Collection" or other such items

But to include things that are per se in the banner, like Blu-Ray, DVD, Digital Copy, HDDVD, Widescreen, Full Screen, etc etc. is redundant.  These items are all handled within other sections of the profile.

Now I think that I will duck and Cover   

As always MHO
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Gotta agree with Ace on this one. It's no different than all the editions that simple say Widescreen Edition. 

Of course those who think that Widescreen isn't an edition will most certainly be opposed to this edition as well but that has long been settled (like it or not).
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Also, no need to say DVD or digital copy as that is put in the other features section...


By that logic, you should never use the edition field at all. The field is so that you can distinguish editions without looking at the full profile.


Thank you Ace.  That was the point of my contributing it.  Otherwise, in my collection list, it just looks like Monsters, Inc.  with a child profile of, you guessed it, Monsters, Inc.!  If I don't have one of the two highlighted, it looks like I have 2 of the same kind of media for 1 title.
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If I don't have one of the two highlighted, it looks like I have 2 of the same kind of media for 1 title.

How does adding "Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy" as an Edition tell them apart?  We can deduce neither is a Digital Copy because there isn't a way to submit those.  Therefore all we can determine from an Edition of "Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy" is that it isn't an HD-DVD. Beyond that you have to click on it to get some details.

The fact that you have a child profile should be sufficient to indicate they are related and probably not the same media.

If it is confusing you could add DVD, locally, as an Edition to one of the two?

I can't tell the difference between any of my discs just by looking at the list of profiles.  If i want to know the media (and sadly i have some of these in three formats) i click on it and find out what media it is.  Or i do a filtered search.
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I voted no since there currently is only one edition. If another edition would become available, then it might be useful to add but for the time being, I don't see the benefit.
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Gotta agree with Ace on this one. It's no different than all the editions that simple say Widescreen Edition. 

Of course those who think that Widescreen isn't an edition will most certainly be opposed to this edition as well but that has long been settled (like it or not).

The difference between that and this is that it says 'Widescreen EDITION'.  Here is the rule...

The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition).

...and it is a two part rule.  The first part deals with distinguishing between releases, which is what we have here.  The second part deals with special versions and collections, which is what the Widscreen Edition' is.

For this to be an edition, per the rules, there has to be another version OR "Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy" is considered a special version or collection.  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't believe it can be.
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Are you sure they all say 'Widescreen EDITION'?

Just looking at my collection online I found 5  by the time I got to number 332 that just say 'Widescreen'

#274 - Shark Tale: Widescreen
#281 - Pillow Talk: Widescreen
#288 - Finding Neverland: Widescreen
#318 - The 'Burbs: Widescreen
#332 - The Pacifier: Widescreen

I'm sure I could fine many more if I  actually searched for it. As I'm sure you remember in the first few years of DVD releases it was not uncommon to have sch unnecessary editions on the boxes (remember the 'DTS' ones). Looks to me like they are following suit in what should still be considered the early years of Blu. We have never limited ourselves to using these editions only if there was another version available. If they are on the front cover we use them.

FWIW I've always been on the side of more info in the editions rather than less info. When adding by title it helps to know what your are getting.
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I don't know if this is true in the cases you list since I don't have those... but it could be because there was more then one version listed... a widescreen version and a full screen version. Per the rules that is ok too. matter of fact widescreen is an example Ken has listed in the rules (To be completely honest the rules don't say it has to be Widescreen EDITION so per strict rules Widescreen is ok).

I personally have always been on the pro side for stuff such as Widescreen Collection and widescreen/full screen in the edition field.
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I have come to agree with, Pete, save for one caveat I know longer concern myself with Edition separating from something else. That leads to an if/then and confusion, data consistency is what I am after so, if Widescreen, Widescreen Edition etc is used in the instance of one title so be it for all. The one thing I do not is scramble around all over the cover trying to find it...if it's on the front fine, if it's on the back NO!

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I do have to disagree with you about not taking it from the back of the box though... At least in some cases. The rules says on the box... that can be anywhere on the DVD case...

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If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


See what I put in bold. From what I understand there is titles out there that the edition info is only on the back or spine.

Now that is not to say something like Widescreen or Full Screen should be taken from the small print in the details section of the back case and use that for the Edition field. I definitely don't think that. But if the true edition of the DVD is only on the spine or the back we need to be able to take it from there.

The trick is knowing when what you pull from the spine or the back of the case is actually the edition.
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You're right, Pete, it does happen the edition is only mentioned on the back or spine. Not very often though.    Fully agree with your other points as well.
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I voted "Yes."  It's a valid Edition.

I also agree the Rules allow taking the Edition from the spine or back.

(Examples given are from my local collection.)

It's a bit arbitrary the way the Rules govern this issue.  I use the Edition field if one is indicated--usually on the box, but occasionally...

- "Ran: The Masterworks Edition" - edition does not appear on the box of this reissue; only the disc label

For cases when further differentiation is required, something should be added.

- "Brazil: The Criterion Collection 51 (1-Disc)" - to differentiate from the 3-disc version (Yes, I like spine numbers.)
- "Robocop: (Lenticular Slip Cover)"
- "The Bourne Ultimatum: Limited Edition (BestBuy Excl. SteelBk)"
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Also, no need to say DVD or digital copy as that is put in the other features section...


By that logic, you should never use the edition field at all. The field is so that you can distinguish editions without looking at the full profile.


As has been said, there's nothing to distinguish, there are no other Monsters Inc. editions on Blu-ray and there won't be for some time.



"Won't be for some time" isn't really relevant.  There could be (and knowing Disney there WILL be) another edition.  I could have used the same logic not to put "Platinum Edition" on the previous release of Snow White, and here we are seven years later with a new one.  I think it's an edition.
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Quoting TheMovieman:
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Quoting TheMovieman:
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Also, no need to say DVD or digital copy as that is put in the other features section...


By that logic, you should never use the edition field at all. The field is so that you can distinguish editions without looking at the full profile.


As has been said, there's nothing to distinguish, there are no other Monsters Inc. editions on Blu-ray and there won't be for some time.



"Won't be for some time" isn't really relevant.  There could be (and knowing Disney there WILL be) another edition.  I could have used the same logic not to put "Platinum Edition" on the previous release of Snow White, and here we are seven years later with a new one.  I think it's an edition.


And I think it's an inventory of what's inside the case, so I don't think it's an edition. And when or if Disney releases another BLU-RAY version of Monsters Inc, then we can revisit this. Is it possible Disney will re-release this on Blu-ray again? I guess, but unlikely IMO. Heck, in 7 years we could be moving on to digital storage for our movies, who knows.
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