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Quoting Graveworm:

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If you value the opinion of the community then please accept their decison and stop contributing changes to disks you don't own?

You don't speak for me and I disagree with you. Carry on T!M if you don't own the disc. If you're correcting things like the title which is obviously available to those that don't own the disc by way of the profile picture, submit away IMO.

In what way do you disagree with me? Do you disagree that the community has clearly stated that we should not contribute disks we don't own? Or that Tim has not heeded this?

I understand that there are a lot of people who don't think it should be allowed, and for data where disc possession is required (audio, subs, extras etc) I would always vote no. For data like title and overview, easily retrievable from the profile picture should be allowed. Let's be honest though, T!M is following the contribution rules. The contribution rules suck.

At the end of the day, is data is good, vote yes, if it's bad, vote no. It doesn't matter where this info comes from as long as contributors are not lying.

Okay then. Let me refer you to the last on-topic question I asked on the previous page:

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Let me ask you this: since your argument is that "the rules say to "check capitalisation" and not to capitilise lower case joining words they do not say use standard capitalisation rules for covers", how do you deal with covers where the title is shown in ALL-CAPS? The rules don't address that either, so in those cases, do you just "check the capitalisation" and enter them in ALL-CAPS, too? If not: where do you base the distinction on? Why copy the exact capitalisation in this case, but not in the next one? If I follow your approach to the letter, I'm going to have to change HUGE numbers of titles...

I still have that same problem: you want to copy this bit of formatting into DVD Profiler, but I'm guessing that you have no problem entering, say, ARMAGEDDON as Armageddon, right? And I don't see where you get the distinction, how you can treat one title different from the next one - certainly not from the rules. For ARMAGEDDON as well, if I were following your line of reasoning, I could say that "the front cover and the film title have deliberately gone for a layout we should stick to that." Same for a title like analyze this (all lowercase): there again you could say that "the front cover and the film title have deliberately gone for a layout we should stick to that." But we're not tracking the layout - we have the covers stored to see that - instead we're tracking the titles: 'Analyze This', 'Armageddon' and 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang'. Yet another example, this one extremely similar to 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang': 'Arrested Development'. How would you enter this one?:


If you insist that it's 'kiss kIss bAng banG', then surely it's got to be 'ARReSTeD DeVeLOPMeNT' as well? As you can see, if you get your way, it's going to have HUGE consequences - it's not just about one 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' profile...

Quoting samuelrichardscott:

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I understand that there are a lot of people who don't think it should be allowed, and for data where disc possession is required (audio, subs, extras etc) I would always vote no. For data like title and overview, easily retrievable from the profile picture should be allowed. Let's be honest though, T!M is following the contribution rules. The contribution rules suck.

At the end of the day, is data is good, vote yes, if it's bad, vote no. It doesn't matter where this info comes from as long as contributors are not lying.

please keep to the topic being discussed.

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Quoting T!M:

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couldn't we just stay on-topic for once?

Sorry I did take it off topic OK and I apologise. On topic the rules say take the title from the front cover and even goes so far as to tell us to check the capitalisation (Since this is the UK locality we can spell capitalisation correctly)  . In this case the front cover and the film title have deliberately gone for a layout we should stick to that. The people who own this disk have already voted twice and they seem to like it that way.

it all boils down to what "check the capitalisation" means?

Does it mean - check the capitalisation and then ignore any standard rules and just enter titles as shown - in which case isn't "check the capitalistaion" redundant? If that was removed from the rules then these could just say "enter the title as printed on the front cover" instead?

Or does it mean - check the capitalisation and correct this to standard capitalistaion when this is stored in the database (and use the cover to see what weird letters have been used by the typesetters).

These three statements

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Check capitalization of the title.

For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not.

For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title. “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not.

tell me that I should use English capitalization rules for titles. If I were wrong in that assessment it would mean that we copy English titles the way they are on the cover and for every other language we use the "capitalization rules common to the language of the title". Sense that would make none.

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it all boils down to what "check the capitalisation" means?

Absolutely.

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Does it mean - check the capitalisation and then ignore any standard rules and just enter titles as shown - in which case isn't "check the capitalistaion" redundant? If that was removed from the rules then these could just say "enter the title as printed on the front cover" instead?

Or does it mean - check the capitalisation and correct this to standard capitalistaion when this is stored in the database (and use the cover to see what weird letters have been used by the typesetters).

I would say the latter. It doesn't say "Stick to capitalization when cover uses mixed case, but capitalize all words (except of, the, a, in etc.) when cover uses all upper or lower case".

Capitalization is a tricky business, though. The movie industry is very fond of using all caps when typing movie titles, and clearly the DVD Profiler community has decided that this is unwanted in the DVD Profiler database. So, there's a consensus that the capitalization should be corrected, but not in a way that follows English capitalization rules. And just to confuse matters more, English is the only language where the capitalization rules don't apply.

Oh, BTW: What about numbers that substitute letters? Should they be altered, or kept?

In this case 7 is kept:


But 4 is replaced with an "a" here:


And the up side down 7 is replaced with "l" here:


And what about symbols or foreign letters? p is replaced with its pronounciation:


But in this case, + is kept:


The fact that p (or ? if capitalization rules apply  ) is very difficult to type, obviously makes it unrealistic to expect people to type it in, but what if somebody actually submitted a correction to that profile, with p as the title? Should it be rejected?