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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
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But it's not sold as a dvd because the dvd is not released for another 7 weeks.
-Agrare
..and that second release,, would be a release of the first release???.,, or it would not be a rerelease as it is supplied with a differnat UPC/EAN .. 
The 7 week window is usually the norm between differnat countrys, and usually not the same country (USA region 1) .. I don't know what you are trying to say here. that second release is the dvd version of the movie (yes it is most likely the same dvd that comes with the blu-ray release) but it is not available until Nov. 24th. This has nothing to do with different countries. Disney is releasing the Blu-ray version 7 weeks before they release the DVD version, however you can also get the dvd buy just buying the blu-ray (hence why the dvd packaging is going to 'trick' a lot of people) -Agrare |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
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The way I read the links you provided The DVD alone is not released for 7 weeks... but the Blu-Ray with bonus DVD AND the DVD with bonus Blu-Ray is released on Oct. 6th. Amazon even lists them as such.
That's how I understood it as well. Ok, I can see it being read that way. I've always read it as a Blu-ray release with a bonus DVD and available with a blu-ray case or a dvd case. I guess with the way they have the packaging they seem to have gone that route (the stand alone dvd release is what is delayed) but then I really fail to see what Disney hoped to accomplish here by delaying the dvd release. It does nothing to support the format because your average consumer won't realize there is a just DVD release coming so will see the DVD case and buy that as a dvd (then be totally confused with the 2 extra discs they can't do anything thing with...which may have a couple people go out and buy a blu-ray but i'd think it would be people that were contemplating it anyway). Only people (general uninformed public) that don't buy it in the first 7 weeks will then be aware of the 2 discs dvd version (so second disc extras are not available to those that bought it as the combo). I guess Disney's goal was not to actually promote blu-ray with this marketing plan but to increase their profit by tricking people into buying a release that is $10 (msrp) more That's another point, The extra's disc in both cases is blu-ray. If it was a DVD release and the blu-ray copy was a bonus disc why would the other bonus disc also be blu-ray? (answer is because it's a blu-ray release) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Marketing ploy or not, if it is sold as a DVD with a bonus Blu-ray, that is how it should be profiled. DVD parent with a Blu-ray 'bonus feature film' child. That should be reversed for the Blu-ray, with bonus DVD, edition. Thank You! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The way I read the links you provided The DVD alone is not released for 7 weeks... but the Blu-Ray with bonus DVD AND the DVD with bonus Blu-Ray is released on Oct. 6th. Amazon even lists them as such. And Thank You! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not terribly sure I understand the concern here. What I am reading, blu/DVD and DVD/Blu , sounds to me like it should be two totally different UPCs and thus two different Profiles. But, I am not going to be able say anything difinitive til it actually hits the streeets and we can see what is going on. IF they kkep with their recent efforts, there will be a release on Sunday AND Tuesday, which may or may NOT figure into this mess. So....I will wait and see.
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mike: Quote:
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Marketing ploy or not, if it is sold as a DVD with a bonus Blu-ray, that is how it should be profiled. DVD
parent with a Blu-ray 'bonus feature film' child. That should be reversed for the Blu-ray, with bonus DVD,
edition.
Thank You! Quoting Mike: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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The way I read the links you provided The DVD alone is not released for 7 weeks... but the Blu-Ray with bonus
DVD AND the DVD with bonus Blu-Ray is released on Oct. 6th. Amazon even lists them as such.
And Thank You! You're welcome. Quoting Mike: Quote:
so with two differant releases for the Blu-ray the blu/dvd case and the dvd/blu case if your contributing the dvd/blu case do you contribute the differant cover art and would it be contributed as a dvd? I like how your first post asking about this you basically say they are both blu-ray releases but you want to treat them as one blu-ray the other dvd. This is no different than Sleeping Beauty or Pinocchio other than the fact that they are also offering it in a DVD case. I understand the argument that because it says DVD + Blu-ray on the one in a dvd packaging you want to treat it as a DVD release but it's not. If the DVD was the main disc and the Blu-ray was just a bonus copy of the movie why is the extras disc a blu-ray and not a DVD? DVD packaging vs Blu-ray packaging doesn't change the type of the release. If this were some other movie being released on a Blu-ray but packaged in a regular keep case (ie DVD packaging, because this Blu-ray packaging vs DVD packaging is really just dumbing it down to average user) would that make it a DVD release? No. -Agrare |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | that may very well be the case accept you yourself have proven my point TWO different UPC's |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mike: Quote:
that may very well be the case accept you yourself have proven my point TWO different UPC's I thought about bringing that up in my last post but felt it might be taken wrong but since you brought it up. NO I DIDN'T. all my providing two UPC's shows is that there need to be two different profiles (one with hd keep case, one with keep case). It doesn't prove your point at all, your just trying to twist it to do so. This is not the first time a movie has been released under more than one UPC. It's similar to situations where they have a regular case (hd keep\keep\digi pack) and then a fancy case (Dark Knight bat pod, optimus prime transforming case, jack skelenton bust, alien head, blade runner briefcase...need I go on?) It'd be like a keep case and snapper case. The profiles should be essentially the same except for the artwork and case type. -Agrare |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just went to Disney.com to check to see what they say. And they say that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs will be coming out on Blu-Ray & DVD on Oct 6. Listing releases... - Blu Ray Combo Pack - DVD Combo Pack Here is an images from their site to show Snow White being called DVD Combo...  All that showing me they are indeed releasing a DVD Combo as well as a Blu-Ray Combo on the 6th... telling me that is how it should be entered into our database. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here in Sweden there is no delay between the Blu-ray/DVD combo and the DVD only release, they are both released tomorrow, at least that's what my order status tells me.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
This is no different than Sleeping Beauty or Pinocchio other than the fact that they are also offering it in a DVD case. I understand the argument that because it says DVD + Blu-ray on the one in a dvd packaging you want to treat it as a DVD release but it's not. If the DVD was the main disc and the Blu-ray was just a bonus copy of the movie why is the extras disc a blu-ray and not a DVD? This is the part I just don't get. We don't profile based on the format of the extras disc. We profile based on how it is sold, packaged and what the case says. If the package says "DVD + Blu-ray", then we have to profile it as a DVD release with a bonus Blu-ray. I don't see any other way to do it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm getting the blu-ray packaging version and plan on putting it into the steelbook case and changing my local profile to reflect that case type. So that said I don't necessarily have a horse in this race so to speak.
I understand that the one says Blu-ray + DVD and the other says DVD + Blu-ray and that's the main reason for putting it in as a DVD with a blu-ray bonus profile. I'll admit that even makes sense and seems to be how its being marketed. As I said I think it's a marketing ploy for various reasons, but I do have to agree with the Martians comment that if it's sold as a dvd with a bonus blu-ray that is how it should be entered. I can accept if that's how it's done (it really won't affect me) if most of the people that actually own it want it that way.
The rear images on amazon.com refer to it simply as a 3 disc combo pack (1 dvd and 2 blu-ray)
the pictures posted by Addicted2DVD from Disney's site also say "Plus DVD of movie" (implies the dvd is the plus/bonus) so their site supports both (or neither) sides.
but let me ask one question then. Does the bonus disc (the second blu-ray disc) get added as a disc in the bonus profile or in the dvd profile? If the latter than its a dvd that has a bonus disc with the second disc as a blu-ray and then additionally gives a blu-ray copy of the movie. I think the contents of both packages support that it is a 2 disc blu-ray that includes a 3rd disc which is a bonus dvd copy of the movie.
-Agrare |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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This is no different than Sleeping Beauty or Pinocchio other than the fact that they are also offering it in a DVD case. I understand the argument that because it says DVD + Blu-ray on the one in a dvd packaging you want to treat it as a DVD release but it's not. If the DVD was the main disc and the Blu-ray was just a bonus copy of the movie why is the extras disc a blu-ray and not a DVD?
This is the part I just don't get. We don't profile based on the format of the extras disc. We profile based on how it is sold, packaged and what the case says. If the package says "DVD + Blu-ray", then we have to profile it as a DVD release with a bonus Blu-ray. I don't see any other way to do it. But my point is that it is sold as a blu-ray and the packaging supports thats more than it supports it being a DVD. If the package says it's 1.78:1 but its really 1.85:1 we put what it really is not what the package says. Yeah, that's not the tightest analogy but I think the concept is the same. It's a blu-ray release in a DVD package, packaged in such a way as to appeal to those that want dvd (or imho 'trick' dvd people to buying the blu-ray) Keep in mind I've said I understand the other side of the argument and can (in some ways) support it as well. However, I think we also need to take into consideration people that use DVD profiler to check out various releases. If this is put in as a dvd any bonus features on the 2nd blu-ray disc will not apply to the dvd and would potentially be unplayable to someone who buys it thinking its a dvd and they are just getting the blu-ray as a bonus for if/when they upgrade in the future (obviously the effect that has can't really be determined until someone has it in hand) -Agrare |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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This is no different than Sleeping Beauty or Pinocchio other than the fact that they are also offering it in a DVD case. I understand the argument that because it says DVD + Blu-ray on the one in a dvd packaging you want to treat it as a DVD release but it's not. If the DVD was the main disc and the Blu-ray was just a bonus copy of the movie why is the extras disc a blu-ray and not a DVD?
This is the part I just don't get. We don't profile based on the format of the extras disc. We profile based on how it is sold, packaged and what the case says. If the package says "DVD + Blu-ray", then we have to profile it as a DVD release with a bonus Blu-ray. I don't see any other way to do it. I gotta agree with the Martian. |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
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This is no different than Sleeping Beauty or Pinocchio other than the fact that they are also offering it in a DVD case. I understand the argument that because it says DVD + Blu-ray on the one in a dvd packaging you want to treat it as a DVD release but it's not. If the DVD was the main disc and the Blu-ray was just a bonus copy of the movie why is the extras disc a blu-ray and not a DVD?
This is the part I just don't get. We don't profile based on the format of the extras disc. We profile based on how it is sold, packaged and what the case says. If the package says "DVD + Blu-ray", then we have to profile it as a DVD release with a bonus Blu-ray. I don't see any other way to do it.
I gotta agree with the Martian. I never said we profile based on the bonus material. I said the fact that the bonus material is supplied on a blu-ray supports that it is a blu-ray release. Unless its a DVD release with 2 bonus blu-ray discs. Does the second blu-ray disc get added to the blu-ray child profile if it's done this way? All I'm saying is just because it switches the order of the words dvd + blu-ray one one area of the cover i don't think that makes it a dvd release. The contents of the release point to it being blu-ray. From what I can read of the back image there is no disc 1 priority given to either the dvd or the blu-ray. Like I said, I understand why that one line on the package makes you feel the way you do, but for me it doesn't change that it's a blu-ray release with a bonus dvd being marketed towards 'dvd people'. I think putting it in as a dvd causes issues with how bonus materials will need to be handled and possibly other problems. But like I said, I won't have that version. I am well aware of all the various releases and their differences for this title so it's not going to be a confusing issue to me like it will probably be for most casual consumers. But I know what I'll be getting so it won't affect me. -Agrare |
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| | Posted: | | | | But wouldn't the bonus features be correctly assigned to the child profile rather than the parent, and therefore there shouldn't be a problem? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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