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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Ken is correct. As to the "fix". I don't know, there any number of possible ways  to do this, but I am not familiar with the specific program which Ken uses to develop Profiler. I don't think I like the suggestion of brackets, I fear that might complicate things for users unnecessarily. But that's not my concern.

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James:

I understand what you are saying. But it's absurd. Neither one of us is in a position to know factually about this. What do we know. We know that covers are graphics and that graphics require massive amounts of storage, we also know that storage is NOT free, there is a cost associated with it, which is directly reflected in what Ken has to charge for the program.  Your pontificating is worthless and non-productive, if ken decides that he can cope with multiple covers, which will take some programming in addition to the storage side, then I am sure we will see it...someday on his time frame...not ours. We are customeers, nothing more or less. I will only say that I think this a major change in the program and as such I would not look for it until version 4.0, whenever that is, not 3.6 which is next planned version from what we read.

Skip

Gee, thanks, Skip.  I reported what I recall Ken saying and I drew conclusions from that. You are free to draw your own conclusions. Regardless, we're all free to make feature requests. This has been one of mine for some time.

I agree this should be in the feature requests forum, however.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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I don't use it so can't say with certainty but I would've thought that you could use phpDVDProfiler to change them. It's a 3rd party system so you'd have to have your own site that supports php but since it's independent you should be able to replace whichever covers differ with the one you own.


Totally correct, you can host your own covers online whether they be original or re-release using phpDVDprofiler
For example, go to my recently purchased Dollhouse profile, and click on the front and back covers, and you will see my high res scans - http://www.richesdvds.co.uk/phpdvdprofiler/
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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So what your telling me is this program if i remember right i paid some where around 20 pound plus for it can't compensate for for re releases with identical UPC's yet on DVD Spot which was free (yes it is dead now) this was possible.

I think what your saying is your just being to lazy to make the necessary changes to allow such things on the database things which i don't think are that complicated.

I don't remember the last time I spent so little on a piece of software, and gotten 10 years of free updates.  Calling the programmer lazy, because they won't give you what you want, is just uncalled for...even if you did aim it at the wrong person.

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Honestly i don't think there's a DVD collector out there save for the criterion fanatic who unless it's one of his or her's favourite films will go out and buy something day 1.

90%, or more, of my purchases are made on the day of release...and I am not alone.  I can't tell you how many times I have entered a title into my collection and found a contribution pending from someone that got it before I did.  Everybody who knows me, knows where I will be Tuesday mornings...and I own 1, count 'em, 1 Criterion title.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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So what your telling me is this program if i remember right i paid some where around 20 pound plus for it can't compensate for for re releases with identical UPC's yet on DVD Spot which was free (yes it is dead now) this was possible.

I think what your saying is your just being to lazy to make the necessary changes to allow such things on the database things which i don't think are that complicated.

I don't remember the last time I spent so little on a piece of software, and gotten 10 years of free updates.  Calling the programmer lazy, because they won't give you what you want, is just uncalled for...even if you did aim it at the wrong person.

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Honestly i don't think there's a DVD collector out there save for the criterion fanatic who unless it's one of his or her's favourite films will go out and buy something day 1.

90%, or more, of my purchases are made on the day of release...and I am not alone.  I can't tell you how many times I have entered a title into my collection and found a contribution pending from someone that got it before I did.  Everybody who knows me, knows where I will be Tuesday mornings...and I own 1, count 'em, 1 Criterion title.


You just had to be first in line for Hannah Montana The Movie 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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You just had to be first in line for Hannah Montana The Movie 

I don't think I was first in line, but what does it matter?  Oh wait, was that supposed to be a dig at the fact that I bought that movie? 
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You just had to be first in line for Hannah Montana The Movie 

I don't think I was first in line, but what does it matter?  Oh wait, was that supposed to be a dig at the fact that I bought that movie? 


Well the question that came to mind was how many movies you have seen from say the 1940's 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Ummm probably a lot more than you, Death.

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Well the question that came to mind was how many movies you have seen from say the 1940's 

My last 3 purchases included Gladiator and Braveheart, two films that don't really fit the 'Hannah Montana' demographic, and the question that came to mind for you was one of age? 

What was it Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Ummm probably a lot more than you, Death.

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Don't think i asked you but given your age i would say you have.
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Soo is someone going to move this thread 
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Soo is someone going to move this thread 

I wouldn't hold my breath as that doesn't happen very often.  Your best bet is to start a new on in the other forum.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I will also add, I am not sure that i see your point now that i have actually looked and learn that you collection is private. No one can see anything about your collection, let alone that you might own a different cover from the one that is Online.

Manyof us that I would call "serious" collectores do our own Cover Scans anyway, we don't depend on the Online or some other source(except for pre-release0

Let's play a little game, death My back up file is currently closing on 13GB, this is largely due to my graphics files. Let us imagine that ken were to decide to go for REALLY high quality Cover images and we'll use mine, which are approximately 4MB per set. We will assume for the sake of argument that ALL 400,000 titles have this quality of image. That is 1.6 TBof images, now Profiler has somewhere around 500,000 users, let us assume that there is another 50,000 of different Cover images possible from what is Online that is a lot of PB of storage space, JUST for covers. Perhaps now you begin to understand the mathematics of the issue, James' comment completely aside. Now under the current system that Ken uses, the images are roughly 10% the size of my file copies, that is still a LOT of storage space to have multiple Cover files. I am not saying I oppose the idea, I am saying Ifavor the idea, I am trying to make you see the mathmatics of the idea...storage may be inexpensive, but it is not free, and in such huge quuantities it may not even be real inexpensive.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Soo is someone going to move this thread 

Or you could make the umpteenth request for this in the appropriate thread yourself. Its nothing new and Ken is well aware of it already.

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I will also add, I am not sure that i see your point now that i have actually looked and learn that you collection is private. No one can see anything about your collection, let alone that you might own a different cover from the one that is Online.

Manyof us that I would call "serious" collectores do our own Cover Scans anyway, we don't depend on the Online or some other source(except for pre-release0

Let's play a little game, death My back up file is currently closing on 13GB, this is largely due to my graphics files. Let us imagine that ken were to decide to go for REALLY high quality Cover images and we'll use mine, which are approximately 4MB per set. We will assume for the sake of argument that ALL 400,000 titles have this quality of image. That is 1.6 TBof images, now Profiler has somewhere around 500,000 users, let us assume that there is another 50,000 of different Cover images possible from what is Online that is a lot of PB of storage space, JUST for covers. Perhaps now you begin to understand the mathematics of the issue, James' comment completely aside. Now under the current system that Ken uses, the images are roughly 10% the size of my file copies, that is still a LOT of storage space to have multiple Cover files. I am not saying I oppose the idea, I am saying Ifavor the idea, I am trying to make you see the mathmatics of the idea...storage may be inexpensive, but it is not free, and in such huge quuantities it may not even be real inexpensive.

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I think we're not on the same page. I'm not advocating that everyone be allowed to store their personal local images online. I'm advocating the ability to have a new profile if something such as the cover or video formats of the original profile changes. Nothing larger or more cumbersome than an additional standard profile with images of the standard size.

As others have mentioned, that would require a change to the unique key, which I recognize as a problem.

However, if DVD Profiler could provide users with alternative profiles, for example, for Sweet and Lowdown, one with the original covers and widescreen/full screen aspect ratios and one with the changed covers and full screen aspect ratio only, that would be of value. It would show users that there are variants out there and what changes have been made. Sony/Columbia did this to many of their releases and so far DVD Profiler is unable to store that information.

That's what I'm interested in, not TB's of everyone's scans.
...James

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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You missed the point of the exercise, James. I was simply using my own database as an example, and doing a theoretical calculationof how many different images are possible. The only relative unknown is the number of titles  which have multiple cover art possibilities, I guessed at maybe 50,000, I doubt seriously if it was any higher than 50,000 possible. The rest of the data is known or relatively known and is NOT based on every user being able to have his or her own scans. That would be insane.

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