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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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I think the point of this thread is to try and establish how big an issue it is.
Indeed. I could just remember these two examples from eight-and-a-half years in the forums, and yet I see people worrying over alledged "credit variations" almost every single day. I'd like to know whether it's just unfounded paranoia, if these are the exceptions that prove the rule, or whether this poses a serious problem.
As Hal said: How could we possibly know?
While I see the intent of this thread, I don't see how it could work.
The only way would be to compare each and every credit of each and every DVD (-release) ... I think this would burst every forum. It can't work. As you said, the only way for it to work is to start comparing every release against every other release and I don't see that happening. This smacks of an attempt to prove it isn't an issue because nobody can come up with examples. Nevermind the fact that the only way to really shed some light on the issue, one way or another, is to own every copy of every DVD/Blu-ray.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
This smacks of an attempt to prove it isn't an issue because nobody can come up with examples. As opposed to the frequent attempts at racking up the paranoia without any solid basis for it? Where's the difference? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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This smacks of an attempt to prove it isn't an issue because nobody can come up with examples.
As opposed to the frequent attempts at racking up the paranoia without any solid basis for it? Two examples have been provided...by you. Are you really expecting us to believe that they are the only ones? How many examples are needed before you will admit that it is an issue? 5? 10? 100? 1000? Btw, the mere fact that you can point to examples means it isn't paranoia. Is it a huge issue? Nobody knows, not even you, so you can't claim it isn't an issue as you have no solid basis for that claim either. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Are you really expecting us to believe that they are the only ones? I don't expect anything. I've done my very best to find everything I could - and I presented that. I then asked for input from others - nothing has materialized as of yet. I really don't expect hundreds of entries, but if the people that persist that these credit variations are "common" would each contribute a few of the examples that made them reach that assumption, that would help a lot. But if no other examples show up, you'll understand that I don't see this as a particularly big problem. As of yet, these two examples seem to be the exceptions that prove the rule (the theoretical rule being: "credit variations between various DVD-releases are virtually non-existent"). | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
|  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | T!M!
It is you that have given examples in this thread that credits do not always match from one region to another/one media to antoher, and yet you try to pin on me your lame idiotic excuses for your own behaviour! This I detest at the utmost!
I have never implied I am flawless, and have always been open for discussion in reference to my contributions! You, on the other hand, are evidently under the impression that you are omnipotent in regard to your own ridiculous data! You come across as a narcissistic moron, which are unable to even grasp that some people may have other opinions that you!
The paranoia created is by none other that you, as you continously berate and belittle users who disagree with your interpretation of the rules.
If one user should be banned from both contributing and posting it is you! happy funtimeing idiot you are!
I apologise for the language used in this post, but enough is enough! | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | All lies as always - and still nothing constructive to add...  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, I won't understand. As has been explained, and you seem to want to ignore because it pokes a huge hole in your request, it is next to impossible for people to come up with actual examples.
You may compare credits when you replace a DVD with a Blu-ray, but I doubt that the average user does...I know I don't.
I do know that you want it to be a non-issue, but there is no way to prove it one way or the other. Speaking for myself, I prefer to err on the side of caution...but that's just me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, Tim you are arrogant, my friend. You presume despite KNOWWN evidence to the contrary that EVERY title has exactly the same data across ALL version, ALL regions and ALL Localities. It is a KNOWN problem that you are not correct in your presumption. Hiow big is also irrelevant. One error which you enter is ONE error too many. We have two that you can point at, andI cani assure you there are more than those two. I would hope that you would see this and for the best concerns of the database and the Community would stop trying to standardize the database based only on your single copy.
The ANSWER is obvious and several fold. (1)Stop Contributing that which you (generic) do not own, (pre-release data excepted), (2) make sure that your data matches what you own and (3) we hold each other's feet to the fire to try and get it right, if we do this in a co-operative sense instead of an adversarial way we will al be much better off and the subsequent arguments will also slow down. I could offer some more ideas on stopping arguments but that requires listening and i am not sure about that yet.
Stop hiding behind ken and come out and take satnd with me for what is right for the database, AND the Community, Tim.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
there is no way to prove it one way or the other. Of course there isn't - and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanted to get an idea of the size of the problem. Since a few people repeatedly claim this is "common", I'd expected them to have a basis for these claims. I thought that maybe there were some more known examples buried deep down in the forums that I didn't know about. That's all - I was just curious where all these very assured-sounding "this is rather common" statements were based on, and I thought I'd ask. If there really are a few of these examples, I honestly thought it would be convenient to have them compiled somewhere. Excuse me for asking... |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't check them at the moment but I believe that English versions of Pier Paolo Pasolini's films have translated credits from their Italian counterparts. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Checked and verified:
The German release of Heaven's Burning (4012909500532) got new credits that were filled in by the release company (ZDF (a German TV Channel) | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
I will not say it is common. I will not call it rare. I don't see either statement as relevant. As I have said, what is important is that we KNOW that it is a very real problem, even IF it is only one...it is one too many. But we know it is more than one.
Please, Tim. I am begging you. We KNOW that you are causing problems, I know you mean well, but it REALLY isn't helpful. Just like i would like to find a way to get through to you on the quality of your Contribution Notes, there again you hide behind Ken instead of looking at it and saying to yourself what is right and best for the database and the Community. Who am I serving with my poor quality notes which don't really document anything for ANYBODY. Talk to me ,Tim, I really want to try and help you here, you can be a teriific force for doing good things in profiler and setting an example for others but not if you won't talk.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | As is so often the case, to me this is just another example of a clash between two fundamentally different schools of thought.
In one corner we've got the "it's got to be perfect" crowd, who would rather have no cast at all than a cast list with a few errors. And in the other corner we've got the "something is better than nothing" crowd, who would rather have a filled out cast list, but with a few potential errors, than no cast list at all.
I'm with the "something is better than nothing" crowd. I'd much rather have a cast list with 30 people and 2 errors, than a cast list with 10 people and no errors.
The same is true if you expand it to profiles. Meaning, I'd much rather have 30 profiles with filled out cast lists, two of which contain one or two errors, than 30 profiles with sparse cast lists that have no errors.
Naturally the ideal is to have those 30 profiles all have filled out and perfect cast lists, but failing that I'll go with the scenario I described.
KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
We KNOW that you are causing problems No, "we" don't. Why? Because I didn't cause any. First, it's important to state that I wasn't involved in about 90% of the things you accuse me of - you have a rather nasty habit of attacking me in threads about actions from other users: most of the time I really don't know what it's all about. Otherwise, as I've said over and over again: whenever you find an error in one of my contributions, please say so and I'll fix it - the one thing I'm interested in is correct, accurate and useful data. But I honestly can't remember the last time you've found an error in my contribution - can you? Don't accuse me of "causing problems" when you haven't actually see me "cause problems". |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just thought of something else:
A case can be made for considering omissions to be errors. Error by omission as the expression goes. In which case, consider the following example:
There's a movie with 30 cast members. One profile of that movie has 10 of those cast members listed correctly. But 20 are missing, so that profile has 20 errors in its cast list.
Then there's another profile of the same movie. That profile has 32 cast members listed. 30 of which are the correct members per the movie's credits, and two which somehow ended up there incorrectly. This movie then has 2 errors in the cast list.
Isn't 2 errors better than 20?
KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
I'd much rather have 30 profiles with filled out cast lists, two of which contain one or two errors, than 30 profiles with sparse cast lists that have no errors. Luckily, so does Ken...  Personally, I'm afraid I'm a perfectionist, but hey, what can I do about it?  |
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