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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Alright, so I went and looked at the contribution in question. The credit that was being updated was 'Snub' Pollard. From what I gather the update was 'Snub' Pollard -> "Snub" Pollard...single quotes to double quotes.
Looking at the CLT, I see 'Snub' Pollard - 27 titles (56 profiles) and "Snub" Pollard - 2 titles (2 profiles).
To me, it makes more sense to use the most credited form of the name as the uncredited name. That preserves the link to all the films in which he has a credited role. If we don't preserve that link, why bother entering any uncredited at all?  There is no place for logic in this thread.   |
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| Registered: May 14, 2007 |  Posts: 455 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip did not mention your name lyonsden5. You did assume and Skip is correct on all fronts. The CLT has NOTHING to do with uncredited entries. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Alright, so I went and looked at the contribution in question. The credit that was being updated was 'Snub' Pollard. From what I gather the update was 'Snub' Pollard -> "Snub" Pollard...single quotes to double quotes.
Looking at the CLT, I see 'Snub' Pollard - 27 titles (56 profiles) and "Snub" Pollard - 2 titles (2 profiles).
To me, it makes more sense to use the most credited form of the name as the uncredited name. That preserves the link to all the films in which he has a credited role. If we don't preserve that link, why bother entering any uncredited at all? I too looked, and found several which were also (uncredited) and whaole bunch of Profiles which I would call questionable at best, to the point that I would be willing to bet that if current and correct audits were done that the majority of "Snub' would be changed to "Snub". Like I said I don't want to lose the (uncredited), I want to break the connection to that other source, 'Snub' is their standard, so how do we do this. I'm open to some rational thoughts here, but what i am seeing interms of wanting it both ways isn't rational. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting leo1963: Quote:
Skip did not mention your name lyonsden5. You did assume and Skip is correct on all fronts. The CLT has NOTHING to do with uncredited entries. Actually my name is mentioned many times in the contribution notes. I assumed nothing. Incorrect statement on your part. I never claimed anything re: CLT until Unicus brought it up and I never stated my opinion on whether I agreed with him. You are incorrect yet again Skip is changing something without documentation because he thinks it matches IMDB. He is wrong. It doesn't. That is three incorrect statements on your part. If this were a baseball game you would be out! Please know you facts if you are going to jump in especially if you are going to accuse me of something I didn't do. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
I'm open to some rational thoughts here, but what i am seeing interms of wanting it both ways isn't rational.
Yes, the best way to start a rational discussion is by calling people idiots |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You made an assumption, I mentioned no names, I did not even use the any real credit data only format. You made the assumption, not I. If the shoe fits...fine. that is not my problem that is yours, my friend.
Now if you want address particulars, like I said...look in the mirror. You for a very long time have followed me around nipping at my heels like a chihuahua every chance you get. At least you responded when i said something about your puppy, There was a post a few months ago, wher I inquired after lori's health and you completely ignored it.Who uis the hateful one, Rick...you are carrying a grudge for some reason, that's not my problem...I don't carry grudges, i don't have time nor energy to do so...it wates so much to hold a grudge and makes Communication so difficult. But don't expect me sit idly by and watch I consider to be outrageous voting on anyone's part and trying to apply CLT standards to (uncredited) data.
I watch your voting patterns just as I do everyone else. You are far better than some, I agree. But there is a pattern, my friend and i will say no more than that.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting leo1963: Quote:
Skip did not mention your name lyonsden5. You did assume and Skip is correct on all fronts. Names were used in the contribution notes of the profile in question. Since the original post refers to that contribution, it isn't a huge leap to believe that he is talking about Rick and the other user mentioned in those notes. Quote:
The CLT has NOTHING to do with uncredited entries. Actually, as I noted above, it does. The uncredited entry should always match the most common credited entry...otherwise, what's the point?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
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puppy picture removed... That makes me  . She was my daily dose of cute. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've got this particular profile as well and just haven't bothered to vote on it yet. After doing a little digging, I'd personally be perfectly fine with allowing the change. 'Snub' Pollard is one of classic guys who has a credit list a mile long in IMDB, 95% of which is uncredited. The small amount that is actually credited frequently shows up credited as such and such. The bottom line here is that IMDB chose their common name, made it conform to their convention of single quotes and ran with it. What a shock that their version of the common name is the same as ours.  Personally, I routinely change guys like this in my local. They have 25 uncredited entries and 2 actual credited entries. I pick my common name from the credited entries. Taking a common name from an uncredited entry is just silly. How exactly is that to be checked? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Y But don't expect me sit idly by and watch I consider to be outrageous voting on anyone's part and trying to apply CLT standards to (uncredited) data.
Why do you want to break the link between the 'Snub' Pollard in this movie with the rest of his movie were he is credited as 'Snub' Pollard? (If of course he is credited as 'Snub' in those movies. If he is credited as "Snub" you should document that the CLT is wrong) Why shouldn't we use the CLT to decide what name we should enter an uncredited actor under? If we're not to use the CLT we could just as well use a dart board to select what name to use. Remember that the CLT doesn't consider uncredited entries. | | | 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
But don't expect me sit idly by and watch I consider to be outrageous voting on anyone's part and trying to apply CLT standards to (uncredited) data. How can you say that?  Even today, you were telling someone else: Quoting Jubal, from an earlier thread today: Quote:
Statistics are irrelevant, your belief is irrelevant, IMDb and Wiki are irrelevant as is any other source, what is relevant is Profiler's Contribution Rules and the Credit Lookup Tool. And now the Credit Lookup Tool tells you, in no uncertain balance, to use 'Snub' Pollard over "Snub Pollard", and you refuse? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Why do you want to break the link between the 'Snub' Pollard in this movie with the rest of his movie were he is credited as 'Snub' Pollard? (If of course he is credited as 'Snub' in those movies. If he is credited as "Snub" you should document that the CLT is wrong)
Why shouldn't we use the CLT to decide what name we should enter an uncredited actor under? If we're not to use the CLT we could just as well use a dart board to select what name to use. Remember that the CLT doesn't consider uncredited entries. One of the problems we have is that there are a number of wrong profiles in the database, skewing the heck out of the results. For example, 'Snub' Pollard is credited about 5 times for various Miracle on 34th Street profiles. Ummmm....no such guy in the credits. It just goes downhill from there. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | But if he documents that in the notes, he has a good reason to change it. The same thing that are done when working with common names in general | | |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Whenever I see single quotes in a name I'm immediately suspicious. The bottom line is that IMDB originally chose the single quote standard not because of any stylistic reason, but rather because, back then, most database engines treated the double quote as an illegal character because it was used as a text parser. It was a technology issue and the best compromise they could come up with. Of course, now we're going to maintain it like it's holy writ. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Whenever I see single quotes in a name I'm immediately suspicious. Granted: I've certainly done my best to weed out a bunch of these IMDb-mined single quotes. But occasions do exist where it's the ACTUAL common name, and with a 27 titles/56 profiles vs. 2 titles/2 profiles balance such a change does need a bit of additional explaining. |
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