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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace : That is patently untrue and you missed the point. There are MANY Episode lists on back covers which are not numbered. If it is on the back cover (in this case the data source) and they are numbered then YES you add the numbers, IF they aren't numbered then you do NOT invent data which does NOT exist. But Ace, I suggest you study this more carefully so that you understand the issue more completely because you missed it, pal, by a mile. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
The rulkes do say we can add an episode list even if it isn't on the package. They do not specify any particular way to format it. I have over 1600 disc with the TV genre and I just looked through them. Almost all have numbered episode lists. Exactly Ace, I agree with you completely. If a list is provided on the back cover, then I just copy-paste that. If not, then I add a numbered one myself (which is accordance with the rules) or just don't add one, depending on the set. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just ran acros a very bizarre TV series, relatively recent. Now personally I think it is set up just fine, since there is no episode list on the back of the parent. The Cast and Crew for the Children are just fine, including numbering the Episodes. But when you get to the Overviews of the children (thinpaks) things go a bit crazy and no there are no misprints. They just chose the following format and it shows just that way in my data, lol
Disc 1
1.
2.
3.
4.
Disc 2
1.
2
3.
4.
5.
Disc 3
1
2
3
4
5
And so on. I daresay it is just a tad unique
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
No Hal, the rules don't say anything at all, nah.
"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."
That means Hal, that if there is an UNNUMBERED Episode list on the back cover, you copy it EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, Huh, you don't invent data that is not there. This is not hard to comprehend.
If there is an a numbered episode list you likewise ciopy it EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN. You do understand this simple concept..yes?
So the issue ONLY involves those titles for which an Episode list must be assembled, if possible, in other words there is NO EPISODE list that is part of the Overview.
In the case of the moment, that was being addressed the SOURCE for the Episode data was the Press Release from the Duistributor, which included an Episode list WITHOUT numbers, but he wanted to insert numbers, in other words he wanted to create FICTIONAL data. Is this too difficult?
Unbelievable.
Skip My response is to exactly what the OP asked. There is no reference of any kind in the OP to "the case of the moment" that you refer to, therefore your reference to it is irrelevant, especially since anyone reading this thread would have no idea what you're talking about. The question was simply, if we are adding a "simple episode list" should we use the numbering in the cast dividers. Given that a "simple episode list" would not be necessary for an overview that already contains an episode list that was copied exactly from the back cover, why would you even be talking about copying it exactly and not inventing data? You copy what's on the back cover, and leave off a "simple episode list". It's redundant! The only time a "simple episode list" should be added, is when there is NO episode list, or synopsis, on the back cover. In this case, using the cast divider numbers is the most logical thing to do! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well in answer to your question FOLLOW THE RULES, as I have pointed out repeatedly. There are two spearate issues at work here. Does the source (back cover usually) provide an Episode list, the is it numbered, if the answer to these two questions is Yes and No spearately then you do not create a set aof FICTIONAL numbers. If there is no Episode list on the back cover then you are free to set up a numbers list, although by what standard that is to be done remains unclear.
But all you have Hal is follow the Rules and the Data, i know how hard that is.....NOT!!!!!!!!!!.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Well in answer to your question FOLLOW THE RULES, as I have pointed out repeatedly. There are two spearate issues at work here. Does the source (back cover usually) provide an Episode list, the is it numbered, if the answer to these two questions is Yes and No spearately then you do not create a set aof FICTIONAL numbers. If there is no Episode list on the back cover then you are free to set up a numbers list, although by what standard that is to be done remains unclear.
But all you have Hal is follow the Rules and the Data, i know how hard that is.....NOT!!!!!!!!!!.
Skip If the source, (the DVD back cover) contains an episode list then then the OPs question is moot! Adding a "simple episode list" is redundant. Therefore, the OPs question is ONLY relevant IF the source (the DVD back cover) does NOT include an episode list. It is a given that if the source (the DVD back cover) does contain an episode list, it must be copied exactly. I fail to see what that has to do with the OPs question. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And THAT is precisely the point , Hal, you don't have the background. The source in this case an official Press Release from the distributor for pre-release contained an UNNUMBERED Episode list. But the user wanted to do it HIS way and include numbers , which MAY or MAY not show up upon release. In short, as I have said don't make up fictional data that is NOT provided by the source. One user argued based on PREVIOUS releases of Seasons, BUT that is not a valid argument, Hollywood is nothing if they are not inconsistent.  Now see what happens you don't have the background info, Hal. You and I are on the same page, you simply didn't have the information, now I suspect and i haven't reviewed all of the old postings, but I think you could have probably figured out the background, has you not wished to be argumentative. Now I do think this is a valid discussion that you have started, as I have said assuming we have to construct an Episode List for Overview purposes. What standard for numbering should we use, per Season or Volume as the case may be or per Series or Season if in multi-volumes. Now the next question doesn't present any challenge to me personally, I ask it simply because someone else might be challenged. What to do in the event of a multi-dipped series, for example one of the very best known series was Originally release in 2-Episodes per disc and the Episodes were in Production Order...subsequent releases were done in Airdate Order... should that have any consideration? Again, I KNOW my answer to this, it's a piece of cake but somebody.... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And yep, Hal the above information was presented in a more succinct fashion in my very first post.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
And THAT is precisely the point , Hal, you don't have the background. The source in this case an official Press Release from the distributor for pre-release contained an UNNUMBERED Episode list. But the user wanted to do it HIS way and include numbers , which MAY or MAY not show up upon release. In short, as I have said don't make up fictional data that is NOT provided by the source. One user argued based on PREVIOUS releases of Seasons, BUT that is not a valid argument, Hollywood is nothing if they are not inconsistent. One small problem with this scenario...an official Press Release is not a valid source so it doesn't matter whether or not the simple epsisode list, added to the overview, matched that data. That being said, I am not sure what that has to do with the original post.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like to add the following clarifications, since I have just noticed that the OP is making changes to a Stargate Atlantis profile...
The episode list in the overview must match the list on the back of the case...assuming there is one. It is the episode dividers that use the title from the episode credits. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Excuse me, Unicus. For pre-release data the Distributor's press Release is not valid? Then where do we get pre-release data, certainly you are not going to try and tell me that DVDEmpire is BETTER than the Distributor's data. Are you suggesting that we NOT enter pre-release data? I'll take ANY distributor's press release, when I have access to it, over Amazon, BB, DVD Empire or anyone else. We just don't have access to Press Releases all that often...but sometimes we do. Or are you trying to tel;l me that for pre-releases there are no Rules?  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules, as currently written, deal only with released DVDs. With very few exceptions, the only valid source for data is the DVD itself. Like it or not, and I do not, there are no rules for pre-release profiles. In fact, unless I am missing it somewhere, pre-release profiles aren't even mentioned.  Is a Press Release a good source for pre-release data? Sure it is but, according to the rules, it isn't a valid one so we can't force people to comply with that data. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oy, I follow your logic, and as usual Mr. Martian Spock, it is infallible, though...
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Jubal:
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And THAT is precisely the point , Hal, you don't have the background. The source in this case an official Press Release from the distributor for pre-release contained an UNNUMBERED Episode list. But the user wanted to do it HIS way and include numbers , which MAY or MAY not show up upon release. In short, as I have said don't make up fictional data that is NOT provided by the source. One user argued based on PREVIOUS releases of Seasons, BUT that is not a valid argument, Hollywood is nothing if they are not inconsistent.
One small problem with this scenario...an official Press Release is not a valid source so it doesn't matter whether or not the simple epsisode list, added to the overview, matched that data.
That being said, I am not sure what that has to do with the original post. A very wise man (ahum) once said on these forums, and I quote: "We profile DVD's here, NOT movies" ... now replace the word 'movies' with the word 'press releases' and I think it's pretty clear what we should do. Maybe Skip should take some of his own advice and profile only the DVD, not IMAGINARY data found one website. Sorry for the stab but this was too sweet to pass up  | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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