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Why does Digtial TV look washed out?
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Probably that's the result of some broadcasters/channels applying more (or more smoothened) compression than others. Over here it's no different.

I know that Pal is superior over NTSC 625 to 525 ..  but where does Hidef fall in all of this?, the same resolution? and if so., wouldn't PAL  Hidef be even more superior to North American NTSC ??, with these scanning lines ??
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I wasn't talking about PAL vs. NTSC, but about the difference in compression levels between various channels using one and the same system. Some HD channels use more compression than others, just like - this side of the pond - some PAL channels use more compression than others - and the difference is VERY visible.
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Probably that's the result of some broadcasters/channels applying more (or more smoothened) compression than others. Over here it's no different.

I know that Pal is superior over NTSC 625 to 525 ..  but where does Hidef fall in all of this?, the same resolution? and if so., wouldn't PAL  Hidef be even more superior to North American NTSC ??, with these scanning lines ??


HD is HD - there is no Pal / NTSC. HD is 1080P in the UK and in the US.

And the HD tv I watch is 1080i (cable).
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Pardon me I meant BD DVD.

And I'll wager that you knew that, which leaves me to wonder, no not wonder, exactly what your motive was, as if I didn't know. Cliff a word of caution, I have forgotten more about video than you are likely to ever learn.



I wouldn't have known you made a typo - you made the definitive statement that TV is only seen at 720P maximum - whereas I get 1080i (BBC HD) via cable.
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Probably that's the result of some broadcasters/channels applying more (or more smoothened) compression than others. Over here it's no different.

I know that Pal is superior over NTSC 625 to 525 ..  but where does Hidef fall in all of this?, the same resolution? and if so., wouldn't PAL  Hidef be even more superior to North American NTSC ??, with these scanning lines ??


HD is HD - there is no Pal / NTSC. HD is 1080P in the UK and in the US.


Exactly. The only difference is the frame rate.

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And the HD tv I watch is 1080i (cable).


Same here.
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And true HD is 1080p..at the moment anyway.

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1080i and 1080 p have the same number of pixels. They are the same resolution and will be indistinguishable unless you've got a bad de-interlacer. The difference is just that progressive can do 24 fps while interlaced is stuck at 30. You see a difference with TV because it uses MPEG-2, which isn't the greatest codec, and compresses it down to somethign like a quarter the bitrate you'd see of BD.
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And true HD is 1080p..at the moment anyway.

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Sorry, no.

HDTV is 720 or greater resolution.

And...
according to a fine source (CNET HDTV World)
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How important is resolution?
Although resolution separates HDTV from standard-definition TV, it's not as important to overall picture quality as other factors. According to the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults for home-theater manufacturers and trains professional video calibrators, the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio the second most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Resolution comes in fourth, despite being the most-cited HDTV specification.

The point is, once you get to high-definition, it's difficult to discern further improvements in the sharpness of the picture. All other things being equal--namely contrast and color--HDTV looks more or less spectacular on just about any high-definition television regardless of its size, native resolution, or the HDTV signal's resolution itself. The leap from normal TV to HDTV is so big that additional leaps in resolution--from high-definition to higher-definition, let's say--are tiny by comparison.

Nonetheless the HDTV landscape is littered with resolution discussions, in regard to both sources and displays, so a little knowledge of how they interact is a good thing.


When compression rises, it matters little what the resolution is -- the contrast ratio declines, thus killing advantages of higher resolution.
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And true HD is 1080p..at the moment anyway.


That's Sony marketing hype from the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD war. HD is anything above 720p.

edit: Or what VibroCount had already said. 

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