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How to contribute a Special editon DVD in the Basic Information Field? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
It is this last line I have a problem with - and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title ... I know what the rule says. Where I am confused is with your statement that the rules say you can't use the edition field in this case. Is it because there isn't an edition printed on the case?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | that's what they say ..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
that's what they say .. That may be what 'they' say, but it isn't what the rule says. The only time the edition has to come from the case is when you are using a "non-standard description." There is no such restriction if you are using one of the built-in selections. I do understand why 'they' want it that way, but that opinion is not backed up by the rule. On a personal note, I have often wondered why that gaping hole was written into the rule. Most people assume it means what 'they' say it does, so the issue hasn't really come up much. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus:
In this case both the Boxset and the Stand-Alone versions appear virtually allike, right down to the 2-Disc Special Edition, the differentiator is the UPC#s. The only way to make further use of the Edition field in this case would be via user-generated differentiator such as 2-Disc Special Edition (Stand-Alone) and/or 2-Disc Special Edition (Boxset). Now I am never a fan of user-generated data relative to the Online, but you know that already. Since they are already separated via different UPCs, I don't really see a further issue...granted it is not ideal.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well , here are my 2 cents. You sometimes have two releases of a film, none of them has an edition written on the cover. But with all online retailers the 2 Disc edition is sold as Special Edition. Then, little me, of course put this in the Edition field, to distinguish it from the 1 Disc Edition  So far I never got a NO vote for this and I also do not find anything in the rules that forbid it. To sum it up, I think widescreenforever is right with filling in the edition field cheers Klaus | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say don't invent data that is not ther, Donnie., even if some e-tailer does. That's my two cents, I don't like user-invented data, it's subject top someone else changing it to their invented data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Finally I have a friend ( darklynoon) who has the same foresight as I do..  If you want the Special edition and not the bare bones no frill edition.. why make it complicated by having them both in the data base as the same title? We have to work smarter not Harder..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I would not call this "invent" wrong data. I would agree with you Skip, if there is only one edition out, which is for example a 3-Disc Edition, but nothing is written on the cover or disc that says Special Edition. If the retailers then would sell it as Special Edition, I would never enter it. But if there is a 1-Disc and a 2-Disc Edition out of the same title, even if there is nothing on the cover, I feel the urge to seperate those two editions, and in all cases that I experienced so far, all retailers felt the same urge. it is a nice thing to have the standard edition seperated from the special edition, and as said before, nothing in the rules do forbid this. Please correct me if I am wrong with my rules statement, but I do not remember anything forbidding this cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
I would say don't invent data that is not ther, Donnie., even if some e-tailer does. That's my two cents, I don't like user-invented data, it's subject top someone else changing it to their invented data.
Skip I understand your concerns. I even agree with them. The problem is, the rules don't. As I said, I have often wondered why...in a set of rules where the main data source is the DVD/Case...this rule was written that way. If Ken does not want 'invented data', the rule needs to be changed.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, it seems to me that Terry apparently would like to be able to invent data. I have TWICE suggested a convention would could be used with no response from anyone. I will NEVER support user-inventions, I can accept some sort of convention which would basically be Profiler-invention.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Well, it seems to me that Terry apparently would like to be able to invent data.
Skip I never said in this post I wanted to Invent.. I asked the question How?., even in the titebar.. This post I created for this topic , is for discussion.. and hopefully some meaningful dialogue .. for some hopefull changes in the future... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Terry: 1)I have pointed out the details of of the different UPCs and the fact they BOTH contain the same elements in the Edition field, yet you continue to argue the point, what am I to conclude from that. You are not saying anything that is based upon data. The two copies in this instance are differentiated via UPC. 2)I have TWICE suggested a possible convention which COULD be used. You choose not to reply that possibility, you instead continue to try and defend tour posts. What am I to conclude from that. You have found something that you believe is a problem, I do NOT, but despite that I suggested a possible answer. You have provided no answer of any kind, you just keep pointing at what you believe is a problem. Where's the discussion that you say you want. Am I supposed to just agree that it is a problem because you believe it is, when I honestly don't see a problem. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Terry:
1)I have pointed out the details of of the different UPCs and the fact they BOTH contain the same elements in the Edition field,
Skip The edition field in both copies are empty how can they contain the same elements ? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to my findings, terry as I have outlined they should both contain 2-Disc Special Edition, I can't dela with what they don't have, I can only deal with what the research indicates, assuming what I have found is correct, which I believe it is. As I outlined very early, the ORIGINAL release should contain The Kubrick Collection, the following two subsequent releases appear to be identical except for UPC and Stand-Alone versus Boxset. And I have not addressed the BD release because it is not germaine to this dicussion. I believe that i have covered all the details, including that what the Edition SHOULD say, not what it does say. I would also not make a change to either one unlerss I either owned or was in my wishlist...which it is not because I have no interest in the film, so I would not make any change to either.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Unicus:
In this case both the Boxset and the Stand-Alone versions appear virtually allike, right down to the 2-Disc Special Edition, the differentiator is the UPC#s. The only way to make further use of the Edition field in this case would be via user-generated differentiator such as 2-Disc Special Edition (Stand-Alone) and/or 2-Disc Special Edition (Boxset). Now I am never a fan of user-generated data relative to the Online, but you know that already. Since they are already separated via different UPCs, I don't really see a further issue...granted it is not ideal.
Skip Can you explain a bit furthur on what 'user-generated' differentiator'' is and how to apply?? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I won't because I don't agree with the concept, terry, I am fundamentally opposed to you, me or any other user inventing an edition (or any other data) which does not appear on the cover or the film. We deal with hard data from an Online viewpoint, what you choose to dio locally is not at issue that is your business. If you want to call it Terry's Edition that is up to you, but keep it local.
As I have said, I have offered a potential convention that could be used by ALL, but since I don't see this as a problem, I don't really believe it necessary We have TWO separate UPCs both which should, apparently, contain the SAME Edition data; 2-Disc Special Edition.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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