Put "First Season" or "1st Season" in the edition field, then the title is correct and you have something to differenciate multiple seasons.

If none is mentioned on the cover, maybe just go with what is already there if everyone wants to get up in arms about changing it from "Season1" to "1st Season".

Or use whatever you want in the edition field, and just keep it local.

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Exactly. That includes "original title" as well. If necessary, we're allowed to apply the original title rule, but per that specific clarification (and dictated by plain logic and by basic program design as outlined above), the season indicator should still be included.

I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.  There is no 'if necessary' clause in the rules.  Each field has it's own rule.  The clarification for the title field does not extend to the original title field.

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Exactly. That includes "original title" as well.

Where is this stated?

Right there on the TV Series page, as CalebAndCo indicated. Remember that both title fields are exactly that: title fields. Each has it it's own purpose, but they're both title fields. Well, for TV shows, the season indicator is always part of the title - either title field, that is. Again, that's not just a guess, but it's also dictated by plain old logic and the way the program is designed (see screendump I showed earlier).

You are reading something into the rules that simply isn't there.  We have two different fields with two different purposes and two different rules.  While I understand your reason for wanting it the way you do, it is not how the rules are written.  As for logic, as we all know, logic and the rules don't always go hand in hand.

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It has to be like this, or else the local database of every user that displays his collection by original title ends up with a complete mess. If you really think the rule is unclear, you just have to take a quick look at the program design to eliminate the last shimmer of doubt...

While I sympathize, this is a non-issue.  The rules are designed to give us a standardized main db and have nothing to do with what some users want to do in their local.

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Yes, as part of the TITLE.  There is no clarification for 'Original Title' so it defaults to the regular rule which I quoted above.

If you really want to go down that route, I have to disappoint you: the program doesn't even have a "title" field. It has "DVD Title" and "Original Title". They are, as I said, both title fields, and as such, the clarification on the TV Series page applies to both. So if there's anyone "reading something that simply isn't there", it's you: you somehow magically deduct this clarification only applies to one of the title fields, while the rules themselves don't offer even the slightest hint in that direction whatsoever.

Again, the clarification on the "TV Series" page applies to the TITLE fields, without specifying which one(s). You certainly can't accuse me of "reading something that simply isn't there", as you're doing the exact same thing. The clarification doesn't mention either title field by name: there's nothing there that supports your interpretation over mine. There really isn't. The one edge that my interpretation has is that, as I've shown, is that it actually leads to useful data, as opposed to an undefined mess that cannot have possibly be anyone's intent ever.

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If you really want to go down that route, I have to disappoint you: the program doesn't even have a "title" field. It has "DVD Title" and "Original Title". They are, as I said, both title fields, and as such, the clarification on the TV Series page applies to both. So if there's anyone "reading something that simply isn't there", it's you: you somehow magically deduct this clarification only applies to one of the title fields, while the rules themselves don't offer even the slightest hint in that direction whatsoever.

Again, the clarification on the "TV Series" page applies to the TITLE fields, without specifying which one(s). You certainly can't accuse me of "reading something that simply isn't there", as you're doing the exact same thing. The clarification doesn't mention either title field by name: there's nothing there that supports your interpretation over mine. There really isn't. The one edge that my interpretation has is that, as I've shown, is that it actually leads to useful data, as opposed to an undefined mess that cannot have possibly be anyone's intent ever.

I am a parser.  I am always happy to go down this road.  Unfortunately, it is you who is going to be disappointed with the results of the trip as both the program and the rules support my interpretation. 

Let's start with the program.  Under 'Tools -> Options -> Display' you have 'Title Format'.  Your choices are, 'Title', 'Original Title' and 'Title (Original Title)'.  So, while they are both 'title' fields, clearly, the program refers to one of them as 'Title'.  No need to take my word for it, here is what it looks like:


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The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. Use the title from the film's credits. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.

Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.

Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.

Both of those sections refer to a 'Title Field' and an 'Original Title Field'.  As you pointed out, the only fields in the program are 'DVD Title' and 'Original Title'.  The term 'Original Title Field' refers to the 'Original Title' field in the program.  That being the case, basic logic dictates that the term 'Title Field' must refer to the 'DVD Title' field.  Nothing else makes any sense.

In addition, the 'Titles' section is broken down into three subsections...'Title', 'Edition' and 'Original Title'.  The clarification in the 'TV Series' sections reads 'Title', not 'Titles'.  This one point alone would have been a 'slight hint'.  Added to everything else I just posted and we have a huge neon sign...nothing magical here. 

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Exactly. That includes "original title" as well.

Where is this stated?

Right there on the TV Series page

That's not true. The Title rule for TV Series clarifies, repeats the general Title rule, namely that the 'Title' has to be taken from the Front cover. It's obvious that the rules use Title as the short form for the out-dated 'DVD' Title, covering 'BD' Titles as well. If the TV Series Title rule means (DVD/BD) Title and Original Title, why doesn't it say titles?

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If you really think the rule is unclear, you just have to take a quick look at the program design to eliminate the last shimmer of doubt...

There is not a shred of doubt and no unclarity, Sir.

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Since there is no listing under the TV Series for Original Title in the rules, it make sense to me that you would follow the rules for the title field. This would be to include the season indicator in the orginal title.

I will add this clarification to the list so that it gets updated with the next rule update.

If people disagree with this, I am open to a civil discussion as to why it is not useful to have the season indicator in this field.

Excellent! Thanks! 

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Since there is no listing under the TV Series for Original Title in the rules, it make sense to me that you would follow the rules for the title field. This would be to include the season indicator in the orginal title.

I will add this clarification to the list so that it gets updated with the next rule update.

If people disagree with this, I am open to a civil discussion as to why it is not useful to have the season indicator in this field.

Just so we are clear, I never said it didn't make sense to do it this way nor did I say it wasn't useful, just that the rules didn't allow for it.  Clearly, at least for some users, it will be useful to have the season indicator in the Original Title field...a rule clarification is exactly what is needed here.  Thanks for adding this to the list.