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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Yes I know that rule but Son House is archival material and is not listed with the actual end credits. Since when do we add archival material to the profile.
Although common practice, I couldn't see anything in the rules to stop them being added. If the person is credited then they should be added IMHO. Quote:
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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited
Son House is not listed with the end credit order The problem I see with that is that although quite rare, some films have the main cast listed separately from the main cast. I think Platoon was given as an example in the thread given by m.cellophane. Are you saying that you would miss them out? | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
although quite rare, some films have the main cast listed separately from the main cast. The main cast listed separately from the main cast? I'd say that was incredibly rare!  |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, you don't want to do it but others are more than free to verify/deny that should they so decide.
What about the agency link that has her under RoselerKerwin? She may be American but there IS evidence that she has taken a 1//23 parsing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The agency link proves nothing relative to parsing, Forget. It lists her as Roseler Kerwin NOT Roseler-Kerwin.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
The agency link proves nothing relative to parsing, Forget. It lists her as Roseler Kerwin NOT Roseler-Kerwin.
Skip I mean the file name - RoeslerKerwin_Tina.pdf - If it was 1/2/3 then it would be Kerwin_TinaRoesler.pdf |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Forget that, upon verification, would at least take it out of the realm of a GUESS, but your comment alone does not justify a Yes vote, it is for the Contributor to do the work NOT the voter. Ken Cole confirmed here that voters can provide verification and sources in 'yes' vote comments: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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I'm curious to know -- since Invelos has said that 'no' vote comments help evaluators decide on a contribution -- if comments from 'yes' voters help evaluators in terms of solving these form-over-function conundrums by providing verifications and sources through 'yes' votes.
Yes, absolutely they do. Both yes and no votes with comments automatically sort to the top of the list for evaluators when the contribution is displayed. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Forget that, upon verification, would at least take it out of the realm of a GUESS, but your comment alone does not justify a Yes vote, it is for the Contributor to do the work NOT the voter.
Ken Cole confirmed here that voters can provide verification and sources in 'yes' vote comments: He said that voter provided verification and sources helped the evaluators make a decision. Nothing more. He did not say that it absolved the contributor from providing the documentation. He did not say that a person has to vote 'yes' simply because another voter provided the missing sources. So, while Ken did say that, it does not apply to Skip's post. If Skip, or anybody else, wants to vote no due to a lack of sources, they are free to do so.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If Skip, or anybody else, wants to vote no due to a lack of sources, they are free to do so. I don't believe that anyone has said otherwise. But that argument goes both ways, other users should be allowed to accept the sources and vote "yes" without being attacked or being accused of flouting the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
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that link came from the ducumentation provided in the contribution notes, as always you only read the bits you like and ignore the rest. | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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If Skip, or anybody else, wants to vote no due to a lack of sources, they are free to do so.
I don't believe that anyone has said otherwise. But that argument goes both ways, other users should be allowed to accept the sources and vote "yes" without being attacked or being accused of flouting the rules. Exactly.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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If Skip, or anybody else, wants to vote no due to a lack of sources, they are free to do so.
I don't believe that anyone has said otherwise. But that argument goes both ways, other users should be allowed to accept the sources and vote "yes" without being attacked or being accused of flouting the rules. Nevermind, Ken said there was "no need to call users out on "rubber stamp" yes votes." In light of that, I have to agree.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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It is just a shame that Ken came out against going to a single name field...
It is indeed.  No, it is not. With one field, you cannot properly sort names. And adding a sort field would keep the parsing problem. This problem has no solution except a documented reference list. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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If Skip, or anybody else, wants to vote no due to a lack of sources, they are free to do so.
I don't believe that anyone has said otherwise. But that argument goes both ways, other users should be allowed to accept the sources and vote "yes" without being attacked or being accused of flouting the rules.
Nevermind, Ken said there was "no need to call users out on "rubber stamp" yes votes." In light of that, I have to agree. Did I, at any point in this thread, metion voters, I don't thin I did. In this one I have dealt with two incontrovertable FACTS 1) out of the users own keyboard he is guessing, and his documentation does NOT support that guess and 2) the user is modifying profiles of titles he does NOT own which Ken and Gerri have said to not do.<shrugs> Like it or not and no matter how hard you spin or rationalize it, the Contribution is WRONG and should be declined. PERIOD. I have not even identified the Contributor. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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It is just a shame that Ken came out against going to a single name field...
It is indeed.
No, it is not. With one field, you cannot properly sort names. And adding a sort field would keep the parsing problem. This problem has no solution except a documented reference list. With full substring search and filters sorting by last name will not be that important any more. I would sacrifice last name sorting over parsing problems |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
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