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Problem with BYs contributing inadvertently
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorStaid S Barr
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So they only require that you verify it the first time it is entered, but not if you want to change it?  I agree, that isn't the way I thought it worked either. 


It does make sense though, since the presence of one birth year means it was established to be "necessary". What then remains to be checked, is whether a second or third birth year is sufficiently documented.
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What do you use the fake birth years for locally? Just to differentiate for those that you don't know the year of birth of?
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My 9***fakes dates I only use where a credit is listed only by “Common Name” like ‘David” or ‘Susan’ or where the name is exactly the same but can’t find any dates to identify them but is clearly different, say a musician from the sixties and an ‘actor’ is from the eighties…
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What do you use the fake birth years for locally? Just to differentiate for those that you don't know the year of birth of?


I haven't used fake ones myself as of yet... but yes that would be my reasoning since it would be extremely hard to find documentation for some birth years... especially barely known or unknown people.

The main concern I have with the way it is being done now is we could very easily get more then one birth year for 1 person.

Say there is 2 John Doe... so we need birthyear to document.

We are extremely lucky to find birthyears for both... say...

John Doe 1935
John Doe 1969

Someone that don't have a profile with the birth years as of yet see the need and was able to find documentation... but from a different place (or takes a wild guess because he couldn't find documentation).... and he adds

John Doe 1935
John Doe 1968 (previously in as 1969)

So we end up with 3...
John Doe 1935
John Doe 1968
John Doe 1969

And after the first was in it is automatically submitted. So now we have 1968 and 1969 as same person but now they won't link.
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What do you use the fake birth years for locally? Just to differentiate for those that you don't know the year of birth of?

Yes, that is what we are doing.  As an example, it was easy to find a BY for Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead fame.  There is another Bruce campbell, who is now deceased, that did bit parts in Stargate SG-1 and Double Jeopardy.  I have yet to find a BY for him.  For some reason, even though I know I have changed it, the Bruce Campbell with the BY occasionally replaced the one without and I have to change it again.

The only way to prevent that is to add a fake BY to the one who is less famous.
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What do you use the fake birth years for locally? Just to differentiate for those that you don't know the year of birth of?

Yes. If you identify 2 or more names that are the same and you want to use birth years for differentiation, many times you can't find a birth year for one or more of them. I have some same-names for which I don't know real birth years for any of them.
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What do you use the fake birth years for locally? Just to differentiate for those that you don't know the year of birth of?

Yes. If you identify 2 or more names that are the same and you want to use birth years for differentiation, many times you can't find a birth year for one or more of them. I have some same-names for which I don't know real birth years for any of them.

Indeed. Here's a real-life example, Gerri.
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For some reason, even though I know I have changed it, the Bruce Campbell with the BY occasionally replaced the one without and I have to change it again.

The only way to prevent that is to add a fake BY to the one who is less famous.

I believe the reason this happens is because when you update a profile that contains the other Bruce Campbell's BY, the program looks at your database, finds the other Bruce Campbell and assumes you simply haven't filled the BY in, so it does it for you!
Unfortunately the program doesn't see a name without a BY and a name with a BY as two separate entities.
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Is it possible to change the BY field to accept question marks for unkown birth years?
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Unfortunately the program doesn't see a name without a BY and a name with a BY as two separate entities.

This is also rather disastrous if, for some reason, you're forced to restore your local database from a backup. If you've got a "John Doe" and a "John Doe (1964)", the program will join them together into one single "John Doe (1964)" entry, meaning all the work you've done to separate the two is gone. That is the main reason why I have to resort to fake birth years in these situations: I've spent a lot of time researching all this, and I can't afford to lose it all again the minute I have to restore a backup.
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There's a big problem with same-name performers in adult films. And determining a "good" BY for an adult performer is even tougher than finding one for the "legitimate" performers.  There's on SAG that the adult perfomers belong to that has rules for people using the same name, so there's a lot of confusion with regard to who is who -- and how to have good linking.  Using fake birth years is the only way to handle most of these issues -- that and not contributing any adult titles.

Sometimes an adult performer uses the same name as a "legitimate" one (e.g., Cindy Crawford).  So I give a BY to the adult Cindy and none to the "legitimate" one, but I don't fully understand the implications of having a Cindy Crawford in my DB with a BY and another Cindy Crawford with no BY.  Doesn't the system sometimes add the by to a new addition to my local DB?

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Unfortunately the program doesn't see a name without a BY and a name with a BY as two separate entities.

This is why I'm concerned.  And I hadn't thought about T!M's issue with restoring from a backup.
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Doesn't the system sometimes add the by to a new addition to my local DB?

What I have seen is that if you have a name with two different birth years and you download a new profile or an update to a profile that includes that name, but no birth year, the system will assign the lowest birth year to the new data.

If you have a BY and a blank, and you download a blank, it goes to blank. But if you have a BY 1965 and a BY 1969, the blank BY becomes BY 1965.
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Doesn't the system sometimes add the by to a new addition to my local DB?

What I have seen is that if you have a name with two different birth years and you download a new profile or an update to a profile that includes that name, but no birth year, the system will assign the lowest birth year to the new data.

If you have a BY and a blank, and you download a blank, it goes to blank. But if you have a BY 1965 and a BY 1969, the blank BY becomes BY 1965.

Hmmmm...
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It doesnt't pick the lowest; it picks based on production year.
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