With all due respect we don't look at websites we take the info purely from credits. And the closest match in the crew table is, like it or not, "visual effects".
So as the rules currently stand, that's the best you can have for Stan Winston.

I also find it amusing that you (plural) give Surfeur such stick for trying to get his data into the database, yet you all seem pretty happy to ignore the crew table and put what you like when it suits your needs.
This is not an attack or a criticism, I just think people should take more care when shouting down other people for their preferences.

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To me they sound like functional equivalents of the Creature Designer credit. The word "Effects" in the first two examples may lead to confusion, however.

To me they sound like this as well. Wouldn't it be fine if functional equivalents would officially be allowed by the rules?

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Let's start with a bit of honesty here, shall we?  The crew table is a mess.  As it sits right now, there can be no entries for quite a few credits that are listed...OCB and OMB just to name two of them.  Because of that, yes, I do give a bit of latitude when it comes to crew credits that do not match exactly.  Because of that I do come to the forums for advice.

This latitude would be made official by allowing functional equivalents.

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If that's what the rules say, then that's what the rules say. I'm not part of the rules committee, and it's not my fault the crew table is a mess.
Maybe you should actually consider fixing the crew table before trying to get credits in that currently don't fit?

Well, that explains your attitude.  It is hard for someone who wasn't involved to see what the problems are.  It isn't just new credits that are a problem.  Old credits that were perfectly acceptible, like Original Material by and Original Characters by, are no longer allowed either.  Should we start removing all those from existing profiles because they are no longer allowed by the rules?

As for fixing the crew table, if it were up to me, it would already be fixed.  Since it isn't, my hands are tied.

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And in all honesty, if you consider it ok to give a bit of latitude when it comes to crew credits, doesn't that just signal to users like Surfeur that they can use a bit of latitude on the rules that they don't find suitable?

I don't believe I ever said it was 'o.k.'...I simply said that is what I am doing.  It is also what a majority of the community is doing because of the unique circumstances.  Do I like doing it?  Not at all, but I hate messing up the profiles even more.

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Let's start with a bit of honesty here, shall we?  The crew table is a mess. ...

If you believe that is the same as telling someone that they cannot correct the spelling in an overview, well, I honestly don't know what to say.

The crew table  : it's a rule, just it doesn't please you.
No correction of typos : it's a rule, just it doesn't please me.

But what I understand, if that, in your mind, rules are a mess when they don't please you, and then should be ignored, and they are justified when they please you, and should be strictly followed...

And you are speaking of honesty ????

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This latitude would be made official by allowing functional equivalents.

No latitude was given for typos in overviews with the example of honour and honor causing ping ponging between English and American users . It could have been solved saying in this case it was something as "a functional equivalent".

People wrote many times that rules are rules.

Until Ken changes  and writes rules may be interpreted, rules must be followed strictly, and it's funny to see now the attitude of some of the "rules are rules" advocates...

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Again, we asked for this credit so that we could give people like Stan Winston proper credit.  As his website indicates, he is not a special effects person...he is character, creature and monster creator.  JMHO.

Not exactly, according to this website and the history timeline he worked on make-up effects, creature design and visual effects. And if you slide the bar to 1984 it says he created the effects, not the terminator.

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Quoting Unicus69:

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Again, we asked for this credit so that we could give people like Stan Winston proper credit.  As his website indicates, he is not a special effects person...he is character, creature and monster creator.  JMHO.

Not exactly, according to this website and the history timeline he worked on make-up effects, creature design and visual effects. And if you slide the bar to 1984 it says he created the effects, not the terminator.

As I said previously, in one of the featurettes on the DVD, Winston talks about creating full sized puppets of the Terminator...it seems that the website just lists the credit as that is how he is credited in the film.