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That may be how they write them, but Chow is still the first name so should be entered in that field, etc...

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if this database is only about "credits displayed on screen" we just need the "as credited"-field and no "first-, middle-, lastname" or "birthyear" at all. The existence of theese fields shows, that we try to identify the persons. And if it helps to identify chinese actors by collecting their cantonese/madarin forename as well (and these names are commonly used/written in asian movie credits but maybe the western majority is unable to read them) we should do that.

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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:

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That may be how they write them, but Chow is still the first name so should be entered in that field, etc...

But First Middle Last Name only makes sense in an occidental dimension.

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That may be how they write them, but Chow is still the first name so should be entered in that field, etc...

No, it's still a family name aka last name. We only put "Chow" into the first name field, if it is used as a given name or given name part of a stage name.

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Mad:

What do you NOT comprehend about one simple phrase in the Rules.

"names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

You are clearly among those that are not happy with this and wish to be able to apply your preference to it. but the Rule means EXACTLY what it says PERIOD, no cultural biases are any thing else, exactly As it is displayed On Screen. Whay you consider a cheat isimply because we cannot account for each and every possibility. You are FREE to do whatever you wish within the confines of your LOCAL database. Byut the rules mean they say, and no amount of rationalization by you or anyone else will change that. We are matching the film's ON SCREEN credits. PERIOD.

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You can continue with your incorrect  interpretation but the Rules do not and will not support you. You are applying what you believe is meant with
First Name = Forename(s)
Middle Name = Forename(s)/Stage-/Nickname
Lastname = Familyname

But there is no basis in fact for that. the Rules tell you what to do and how to do it. And the terms we use are simple terms
First name
Middle name
Last Name
There is absolutely nothing within the system, the Rules or anything that you have been told by myself and others that would lead to ANY other conclkusion. Your conclusion is based upon your personal interpretation which is unsupportable in the Rules, therefore it belongs locally ONLY.

I understand what you want and why you want it, and there is a place for it in your local, you have to recognize what we are trying to achieve in the online and WHY.

Skip

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Mad,

this has been discussed numerous times without any solution. There is even a related thread pinned here.

Your points are IMHO valid but until Ken clarifies this we should leave it alone.

Regards
Sugar

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Mad:

What do you NOT comprehend about one simple phrase in the Rules.

"names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

You are clearly among those that are not happy with this and wish to be able to apply your preference to it. but the Rule means EXACTLY what it says PERIOD, no cultural biases are any thing else, exactly As it is displayed On Screen. Whay you consider a cheat isimply because we cannot account for each and every possibility. You are FREE to do whatever you wish within the confines of your LOCAL database. Byut the rules mean they say, and no amount of rationalization by you or anyone else will change that. We are matching the film's ON SCREEN credits. PERIOD.

And IMHO a follow this rules by using the "as credited"-field.
Unfortunately there is no real example but lets say there is a movie with the following credits:

Pacino Al
DeNiro Robert
Bonham Carter Helena

how would you enter these names into the database? The same way we should handle the asian movies. Then because most of us are unable to read mandarin/kanthonese/japanese or any other foreign language, we shouldn't be such ignorant and so creating wrong data

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You can continue with your incorrect  interpretation but the Rules do not and will not support you. You are applying what you believe is meant with
First Name = Forename(s)
Middle Name = Forename(s)/Stage-/Nickname
Lastname = Familyname

But there is no basis in fact for that. the Rules tell you what to do and how to do it. And the terms we use are simple terms
First name
Middle name
Last Name
There is absolutely nothing within the system, the Rules or anything that you have been told by myself and others that would lead to ANY other conclkusion. Your conclusion is based upon your personal interpretation which is unsupportable in the Rules, therefore it belongs locally ONLY.

I understand what you want and why you want it, and there is a place for it in your local, you have to recognize what we are trying to achieve in the online and WHY.

Skip

please explain me, what's the deal of seperating an actor's name into 3 sections, if the sections doesn't mean anything? I only wanna know: what was the intention of the inventer of these 3 fields? (maybe only Ken can tell this)
Why he didn't call the fields "name1" "name2" "name3", because he had another intention.
In the western hemispere "First Middle Lastname" has a speficic meaning and in the most cases we don't have to check it, bacasue of the same origin. But in lots of eastern countries is has other origins of sorting names.
Even in some bavarian parts it's common to sort his name "unusual" Lastname/Firstname. So it's not only an asian issue.

Regards
Mad