the function is there, so why should the programmer spend more time on this? I rather see him develop items that are not available and already requested. My idea on it.

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the function is there, so why should the programmer spend more time on this? I rather see him develop items that are not available and already requested. My idea on it.

As a native app, the function is NOT there. As a plugin the function IS there. And I still think that it's a good enough and simple enough feature for the invelos developer to add the function to the native app. What if one day DVD Profiler is updated and the plugin breaks. We either have to wait for the plugin author to update the plugin which may never happen or take forever to happen, or we wait for a new plugin to take it's place... or better yet it's good enough to include as part of the app and then invelos would be responsible to make sure that function still worked in future releases.

I am shocked that so many people (not even invelos developers) are taking such offense to good constructive criticism. I never once said the plugin wasn't sufficient. Just said that it's a good enough plugin that invelos should seriously consider making that function as part of it's app. Which some how got turned into illegal data mining of proprietary info debates.

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the function is there, so why should the programmer spend more time on this? I rather see him develop items that are not available and already requested. My idea on it.

As a native app, the function is NOT there. As a plugin the function IS there. And I still think that it's a good enough and simple enough feature for the invelos developer to add the function to the native app. What if one day DVD Profiler is updated and the plugin breaks. We either have to wait for the plugin author to update the plugin which may never happen or take forever to happen, or we wait for a new plugin to take it's place... or better yet it's good enough to include as part of the app and then invelos would be responsible to make sure that function still worked in future releases.

I am shocked that so many people (not even invelos developers) are taking such offense to good constructive criticism. I never once said the plugin wasn't sufficient. Just said that it's a good enough plugin that invelos should seriously consider making that function as part of it's app. Which some how got turned into illegal data mining of proprietary info debates.

Hold your horses! I think you are confused big time here.

The UPC Import and Bulk Edit plugins are a one time use plugin for folks that wish to import their titles from other programs into DVD Profiler. Once that is done, there is no further use for this plugin by the user, with the exception of the Bulk Edit plugin that has multiple uses. From that point on, titles are added to your collection via the Add DVD function within Profiler. You can add by UPC/EAN or Title. If DVD Profiler is updated and the Plugin no longer functions, how does that affect you? You've already imported your collection?

That is all true... but as I said before, I almost turned around to not even try DVD Profiler when I installed the free version and saw that I could not import my barcodes. But since I am an OCD research freak, I did my usual forum and google search and eventually found that there was a plugin that would handle this. So I tested it with 10 barcodes and saw that it would work for migrating to DVD Profiler, which the only reason was so I could export my list and then import that into MyMovies MCE Plugin which was the whole reason I looked for DVD Profiler, since it was mentioned int he MyMovies plugins.

But if I was not so determined to find a solution, I would have just kept looking for an app that listed barcode batch importing as an official feature in their FAQ or Feature list. So it's very possible that a small percentage of potential customers did not give this app a real try or purchase because they didn't see a clear and easy way to migrate away from another app or another solution they are already using.

But I agree, once the batch is imported, you are done and don't need the plugin anymore. As for if the plugin breaks with a future version of DVD Profiler, it wouldn't matter to current users that have their list. But then that means new potential DVD Profiler users that want to migrate away from another solution would then NOT have any solution via the plugin as the native app would still not have the feature. All my comments about the barcode list importing is because I am the classic example of a user that wants to migrate from a custom solution to the DVD Profiler solution. As so this issue will always ONLY affect those types of people... the new user. Now and for future versions of DVD Profiler, which is the whole reason why I still think it should be a basic part of DVD Profiler and not just a plugin, even if only used once. If that one time use is the only thing that stops a potential customer from migrating to DVD Profiler, I would think that would be enough of a reason to make it native.

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the function is there, so why should the programmer spend more time on this? I rather see him develop items that are not available and already requested. My idea on it.

As a native app, the function is NOT there. As a plugin the function IS there. And I still think that it's a good enough and simple enough feature for the invelos developer to add the function to the native app. What if one day DVD Profiler is updated and the plugin breaks. We either have to wait for the plugin author to update the plugin which may never happen or take forever to happen, or we wait for a new plugin to take it's place... or better yet it's good enough to include as part of the app and then invelos would be responsible to make sure that function still worked in future releases.

I am shocked that so many people (not even invelos developers) are taking such offense to good constructive criticism. I never once said the plugin wasn't sufficient. Just said that it's a good enough plugin that invelos should seriously consider making that function as part of it's app. Which some how got turned into illegal data mining of proprietary info debates.

Hold your horses! I think you are confused big time here.

The UPC Import and Bulk Edit plugins are a one time use plugin for folks that wish to import their titles from other programs into DVD Profiler. Once that is done, there is no further use for this plugin by the user, with the exception of the Bulk Edit plugin that has multiple uses. From that point on, titles are added to your collection via the Add DVD function within Profiler. You can add by UPC/EAN or Title. If DVD Profiler is updated and the Plugin no longer functions, how does that affect you? You've already imported your collection?

That is all true... but as I said before, I almost turned around to not even try DVD Profiler when I installed the free version and saw that I could not import my barcodes. But since I am an OCD research freak, I did my usual forum and google search and eventually found that there was a plugin that would handle this. So I tested it with 10 barcodes and saw that it would work for migrating to DVD Profiler, which the only reason was so I could export my list and then import that into MyMovies MCE Plugin which was the whole reason I looked for DVD Profiler, since it was mentioned int he MyMovies plugins.

But if I was not so determined to find a solution, I would have just kept looking for an app that listed barcode batch importing as an official feature in their FAQ or Feature list. So it's very possible that a small percentage of potential customers did not give this app a real try or purchase because they didn't see a clear and easy way to migrate away from another app or another solution they are already using.

But I agree, once the batch is imported, you are done and don't need the plugin anymore. As for if the plugin breaks with a future version of DVD Profiler, it wouldn't matter to current users that have their list. But then that means new potential DVD Profiler users that want to migrate away from another solution would then NOT have any solution via the plugin as the native app would still not have the feature. All my comments about the barcode list importing is because I am the classic example of a user that wants to migrate from a custom solution to the DVD Profiler solution. As so this issue will always ONLY affect those types of people... the new user. Now and for future versions of DVD Profiler, which is the whole reason why I still think it should be a basic part of DVD Profiler and not just a plugin, even if only used once. If that one time use is the only thing that stops a potential customer from migrating to DVD Profiler, I would think that would be enough of a reason to make it native.

I understand your concern. A native ability for users to import their already extensive collections into DVD Profiler has been requested many times. I've stated my thoughts on why it hasn't been implemented. Whether that is the reason Invelos has declined to do so, only the program developer can answer. But we do have the ability to do so now with the use of plugins that the developer has allowed dedicated users to create by allowing them access to the program API for plugin development.

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I understand your concern. A native ability for users to import their already extensive collections into DVD Profiler has been requested many times. I've stated my thoughts on why it hasn't been implemented. Whether that is the reason Invelos has declined to do so, only the program developer can answer. But we do have the ability to do so now with the use of plugins that the developer has allowed dedicated users to create by allowing them access to the program API for plugin development.

Thank you for your cool headed comments during this entire thread. I appreciate your comments. As I am new, I have not seem the other threads and comments about this recommendation or I would have made this suggestion there along with other supporters.

I love Plugins, one big reason I love Firefox right now and plugins for my Vista MCE HTPC. And I appriciate them with DVD Profiler as well... of course, without it I would not have been able to migrate to DVD Profiler and would have moved on in my search for a solution to migrate to. Thanks again for your comments.

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By the mere fact that you want to import your data from a program that GETS ITS DATA from a third party DB (Collectorz gets its data from IMDb) for this program that's a no no.

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Geez, don't you guys read what the man (or woman?) actually said?? Which was this (already on page 1 of this thread):

" I did not mean to imply importing of proprietary and legally protected data. I made no mention of data scraping. "

All (s)he wants to do is to avoid having to type in the barcodes of his DVDs, nothing more. And I think xenon is quite right that the casual visitor of the Invelos homepage might be driven away by the fact that there is no obvious way to import existing lists of UPCs. I would think only a small percentage of first-time visitors will start looking for plug-ins like xenon did. We already know that only a tiny percentage of DVDP's supposedly 0.5 million users come to these forums, so I think xenon's remarks make perfect sense, if only from an Invelos business point of view.

Thank you for understanding what I thought was a very simple "new user" migration question and comment. And I am a guy by the way. lol

I hope to be purchasing DVD Profiler soon. The only thing stopping me right now is that I am still trying to solve my original issue. And that is to import a 10 title DVD Profiler example export (in XML) into MyMovies 2.47 plugin for Windows MCE. I am working with the MyMovies plugin forum for that help. But if anyone here has any experience with the MyMovies 2.47 plugin, I would love to hear about your export/import experience.