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 Color of Money voters, can you check your discs? (Anamorphic or Non?) (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. It's very easy to be provide hard data, it is irritating if you don't or won't.
If I provide links to three reviews that confirm the video format, would that be enough for you?
That would be hard data to me, DK and acceptable.
Really? I am surprised, they could easily be moved or deleted, making the link useless. Then the contribution notes turn worthless. I understand that, DK, and to some degree I agree. I would prefer to see a tool used, but I am trying also to be reasonable. The web is a moving target and there is not much we can do about that. But at least at the time the Contribution was made I presume the links were legit, and sometimes I do check that. I hope you understand. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You're opinion and I'll thank you to allow me mine. Where, exactly, did I say you weren't allowed to have your own opinion? Quote:
I don't like garbage data and will NEVER support it in any for. Were, exactly, did I say you had to support garbage data? If the data is garbage...note I said DATA, not notes...I will support you 100%. What I can't support is the removal of good data simply because you don't like the notes. Data is either correct or it isn't. The quality of the notes can't change that. Quote:
It was not you who designed the Rules and i think know what the intent was whether you like it or not. Ken has chosen to allow this undocummneted crap into the Online, Now we come down to the meat of the problem. Did you really expect Ken to let you control his database? You, along with a group of other users, helped create the rule. You do not, however, own them or the database. This is Ken's database and he decides what the intent of those rules are. Quote:
which when they were designed make us little more than a clone of another lousy system. I will NEVER play such a stupid game, we have liars ( as they are so fond of referring to me) and idiots submitting crap that simple. Ken wants to allow that's ken, I will not be party to it. I had hoped that invelos would be product with the highest data integrity in the world, not just another pile of brown stuff. Your opinion but, while you are welcome to it, it is no more or less valid than anyone else's...whether you like it or not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I understand that, DK, and to some degree I agree. I would prefer to see a tool used, but I am trying also to be reasonable. The web is a moving target and there is not much we can do about that. But at least at the time the Contribution was made I presume the links were legit, and sometimes I do check that. I hope you understand. I understand your reasoning but I prefer a user telling me that he put the disc in and saw a non-anamorphic picture on his HDTV. Everybody can make up contribution notes. To me it doesn't matter if I have to put the disc in to check if the contribution is correct or bring up 3 webpages. If there is documentation that I can re-check, that's it, I am fine with that,. | | | | Last edited: by TheDarkKnight |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I don't like garbage data and will NEVER support it in any for. How can you say that when you didn't remove your contribution after it was shown you had bad data? That shows me that you do, in fact, support garbage data -- even submit garbage data, in fact -- just because you don't like the notes. Not only did I provide screenshots of both the movie and the tool showing it was non-anamorphic, but I also provided links to reviews which you have agreed that: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
That would be hard data to me, DK and acceptable. So, hard data is given, data that you yourself find acceptable, and still you maintain that the data is not acceptable. It's insanity. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. This makes absolutely no sense at all, as you must trust your eyes to process any data your TV (or monitor) may display. Therefore we must conclude that everyone agrees that we must trust our own eyes when evaluating DVDs. That issue should now be laid to rest. --------------- |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Ace:
Sorry I don't buy it, simply because I am all to aware of the general knowledge of consumers in this field, which is close to zero, yet some think they know, usually just enough to be dangerous. Don't forget that a lot of our users are simply Joe Six-Packs who want the image to fill their screen, OAR wassat.  I remember way back when when a now defunct retailer was trying to make people believe that an early 2+2 Hi-Fi VCR was a four head machine, that was simply misrepresemtation on their part and they were supposed experts....NOT. We have to trust contributors know what they're doing for everything else (understanding the difference between languages they don't speak for subtitles, correctly translating credits to the Invelos roles, etc). Why should anamorphisis, which is incredibly simple to spot, be any different? |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm betting 22 pages... |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I would prefer to see a tool used, but I am trying also to be reasonable. There is a flag that is set by the author of the disc, but that flag could be wrong. I have seen that happen occasionally ( Example.) In that case, the display will go to anamorphic, but it will stretch the video out incorrectly (exactly the same as forcing anamorphic mode on a 4:3 disc). The only way to verify with 100% certainty is to use your eyeballs, your judgement, and a player; I recommend VLC. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." | | | | Last edited: by Grendell |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Antares: Quote:
I'm betting 22 pages... I'm putting the over/under at 26. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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I don't like garbage data and will NEVER support it in any for.
How can you say that when you didn't remove your contribution after it was shown you had bad data? That shows me that you do, in fact, support garbage data -- even submit garbage data, in fact -- just because you don't like the notes.
Not only did I provide screenshots of both the movie and the tool showing it was non-anamorphic, but I also provided links to reviews which you have agreed that:
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That would be hard data to me, DK and acceptable.
You still don't get it, AR, not that I am surprised
So, hard data is given, data that you yourself find acceptable, and still you maintain that the data is not acceptable.
It's insanity. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Ace:
Sorry I don't buy it, simply because I am all to aware of the general knowledge of consumers in this field, which is close to zero, yet some think they know, usually just enough to be dangerous. Don't forget that a lot of our users are simply Joe Six-Packs who want the image to fill their screen, OAR wassat. I remember way back when when a now defunct retailer was trying to make people believe that an early 2+2 Hi-Fi VCR was a four head machine, that was simply misrepresemtation on their part and they were supposed experts....NOT.
We have to trust contributors know what they're doing for everything else (understanding the difference between languages they don't speak for subtitles, correctly translating credits to the Invelos roles, etc). Why should anamorphisis, which is incredibly simple to spot, be any different? That's fine, Ace, except for a small handful of users ...trust their Contributions just doesn't fly and whn I say a small handful I mean exactly that | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You still don't get it, AR, not that I am surprised Yea, I don't think he is the one that isn't getting it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
That's fine, Ace, except for a small handful of users ...trust their Contributions just doesn't fly and whn I say a small handful I mean exactly that SO you won't trust that contrutors know very basic information about DVDs, so they have to prove their expertise or cite some authority that you do trust. Meanwhile, we are suppsed to trust your contributions when you are known to fabricate documentation through malice or laziness. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had full intention of not posting in this thread again. But, the hypocrisy shown by Skip aka Winston Smith warrents this post.
I have updated Mickey Blue Eyes UPC 053939-256529.
On May 19, 2007 Skip provided long and detailed documentation on his contribution including "Cast and Crew data edited and Ordered per Actual film credits and per rules-As credited":.
The problem? Several of the Cast roles don't actually match the credits.
Some could be an honest mistake such as F.B.I. > FBI.
But how in the world did he get the following?
Skip's data: Carmine Parisi as Goon in Freezer
Actual data: Carmine Parisi as Luigi
The answer: IMDb:
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130121/fullcredits#cast | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I had full intention of not posting in this thread again. But, the hypocrisy shown by Skip aka Winston Smith warrents this post.
I have updated Mickey Blue Eyes UPC 053939-256529.
On May 19, 2007 Skip provided long and detailed documentation on his contribution including "Cast and Crew data edited and Ordered per Actual film credits and per rules-As credited":.
The problem? Several of the Cast roles don't actually match the credits.
Some could be an honest mistake such as F.B.I. > FBI.
But how in the world did he get the following?
Skip's data: Carmine Parisi as Goon in Freezer
Actual data: Carmine Parisi as Luigi
The answer: IMDb:
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130121/fullcredits#cast But... Kathy... I'm confused... He provided good documentation! He had the notes to back up his contribution! So therefore... the data MUST be correct? Right? I'd like to say I'm shocked by stuff like this, but at this point... yeah... not so much. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
[undecodable mess] Good grief, after more than a decade you still don't get the concept of BLOCKQUOTE, do you? You are supposed to write after the last closing tag, not somewhere right before them. If you want to response to a specific line just close the quotes correctly and reopen them afterwards. What exactly in this post ist your answer? | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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