Mark:

The problem was his first post, which was essentially putting words in my mouth, and worse yet for a post that did not involve him. Had he understood what i was saying from the outset, then i would have responded, his initial infuriated me and still does. Because all i did was offer a suggestion to another user, it was not intended for debate or discussion. It was simply friendly advice, which all could take or ignore as they wish, but then he butts in and inserts words into my mouth. I never once mentioned any thought of banning such references, as greenie to you or have a red on me. I said that I considered them to bad and with one exception, I have never used such a phrase and explained my view of it.

I think that James, engaged his keyboard before thinking about it, and wound up insulting ME, in doing so. Did he mean to do so, I have no idea, what I know is that he was discussing something that was not brought up by me and seemed to be attributing it to me. But then again, I am all for free speech and I oppose corporal punishment in any form. The choice i make on red arrow or green arrows and public thought are mine and mine alone, but that does not mean i can't share it of the benefit of those who might so choose. I am just shocked .

I just went back and re-read my post mark, and I don't see where you could have been confused in any way. Very clear.

Ok, Taro, I gave you a greenie, in this case the corollary would be I gave you a red or something similar. And as I said in my view that should not be used as it is instigation, and in fact so is i gave a green, it seems to me to be asking others to also throw greens. A thumbs up or down, should be all that ie really necessary for Forum usage, if other users want to assume that means a green arrow, that's their choice.

Taro you have seen evidence of double standard from your viewpoint and I can see that, I have also eveidence of users throwing arrows en masse as I have explained. Do the public arrowrelated comments have anything to do with it, maybe. maybe not, but I don't think they are necessary, adding a thumbsup and saying I gave you a greenie, achieves what exactly, is not the thumbsup sign enough, it seems so to me. It seems to me that adding I gave you a greenie or a red is tantamount to asking others to do likewise. And I think that is wrong, I will NOT do it.

Like I said just a friendly piece of advice from me to you.

I want a nice chianti and some fava beans.  

It's funny that this thread is a fine example why this forum suck. So what makes it funny?

a) It was started by an Invelos owner
b) No comments from Invelos after the initial post
c) Yes, it has been moderated, ques who's post...
d) After +250 replies, 16 pages it has deserved a lock a long time ago. I mean, come on, people are arguing about greenies 

Quoting Kulju:

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It's funny that this thread is a fine example why this forum suck. So what makes it funny?

a) It was started by an Invelos owner
b) No comments from Invelos after the initial post
c) Yes, it has been moderated, ques who's post...
d) After +250 replies, 16 pages it has deserved a lock a long time ago. I mean, come on, people are arguing about greenies 

No, it's funny that it's more obvious now than it has ever been is Ken won't change anything. I should have you listened to you old timers a while ago. Yeah, I think you're right. Broken promises aside, Ken and co. can't be bothered making customers happy once he gets his money.

Ken is  a goddamn genius. He gets paid, he gets his database built from volunteers, he gets free beta testers from volunteers and he gets free awesome plug ins from the volunteers...all of which makes him more money. Awesome.

However, when 91% of his forum begs for moderation, Invelos provides some weak ass statement with no intentions of following through on and instead of getting the promised moderation (or, for that matter, any communication), this thread turns into some retarded ass argument on green arrows.

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.

Good job, Invelos. 

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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@ Kulju and Alien Redrum:
If it really is that bad, what are you doing here??

Of course there's nobody with a gun to my back. That's silly.

I'm here because I like a lot of the people here.

I'm here because I'm naive enough to believe that maybe one day Ken will care enough about this forum to do something about the good people that leave in anger, frustration or disgust. People whose opinions I respect and who've brought improvements to Ken's database either with limitless contributions or awesome plug-ins that we may not ever see again.

I'm here because this would seem to be the choice to go when you have questions or concerns about this program.

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This might be pathetic, but even this is needed from time to time.

The fact that it's needed from time to time is pathetic in itself, IMO.

I wish I could disagree, but I can't.