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 Color of Money voters, can you check your discs? (Anamorphic or Non?) (Locked) |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Invelos - the only people that count in this situation - consider data more important than documentation. And rightly so, of course. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Invelos - the only people that count in this situation - consider data more important than documentation.
And rightly so, of course. Y4eah, right. And that is precisely why there are so many errors elsewhere, the documentation IS important. If you can't or won't document your data then I personally don't want to see the contribution and certainly will not accept it approved. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the end, the only ones that can state whether or not a contribution is acceptable, is Invelos.
I agree that the most important thing is correct data. That said, I also agree with Skip that good documentation is an added value to the database. I don't think it's the be-all end-all like he does, but it does add value.
But what I don't understand, Skip, is why you did what you did if you value correct data and correct contribution notes?
- You entered incorrect data
- You entered fabricated documentation (which in my opinion, is worse than the absence thereof, since people only have your word to go on and you break that trust.)
Once we start going down the road of entering fabricated contribution notes, we'll not only need to question and recheck contributions with absence of notes, but every single contribution from everyone: Did he really use DVD Shrink to check that? Did he really use his receiver to check the audio? Did he really check the actual credits like he said? And so on ...
It seems like you were on the road to make the database worse instead of better. Isn't that contradictory to your ultimate goals of having a database with correct data and correct contribution notes? | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
If you can't or won't document your data then I personally don't want to see the contribution and certainly will not accept it approved. You're perfectly welcome to decide what you do, and what you don't want to accept into your local database - by all means, do as you please. It's just when you start forcing your personal preferences onto the online database, even up to point of contributing incorrect data out of spite, accompanied by contribution notes that are plain lies, that some of us object. That's all. |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
I agree that the most important thing is correct data. That said, I also agree with Skip that good documentation is an added value to the database. I don't think it's the be-all end-all like he does, but it does add value. Agree with this, you should be able to read anyones notes after the contribution has been processed and know exactly what changes they made to the profile |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
i don't like undocumented claims, from you or anyone else. You know that we have gone around about your failure to even document something as simple as CLT results before. You just go with it is because you say so. That does NOT improve the database. but you get away with it and I will one day find a load of crap from you I have no doubt. Notes are important, nearly as important as the data itself and that is why w are required to provide verification method under the Rules and in technical areas such as Video eyes alone don't cut the mustard. iN THE 10 YeARS ON THESE BOARDS i HAVE LEARNED EXACTLY HOW FEW USERS REALLY UNDERSTAND aNAMORPHIC VS. nON, So I am going to trust eyes...NO...not froma anyone., it's simply garbage can data to do so. You know what GIGO means, you have provided a lot of it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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I agree that the most important thing is correct data. That said, I also agree with Skip that good documentation is an added value to the database. I don't think it's the be-all end-all like he does, but it does add value.
Agree with this, you should be able to read anyones notes after the contribution has been processed and know exactly what changes they made to the profile AND how it was documented and not guessed at | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
AND how it was documented and not guessed at You are irritating me a lot with calling it a guess. If I tell you what my HDTV shows I am not guessing. | | | | Last edited: by TheDarkKnight |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. It's very easy to be provide hard data, it is irritating if you don't or won't. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Tim:
i don't like undocumented claims, from you or anyone else. For the last time, because you just don't seem to be getting it, it doesn't matter what you like. If you don't want to accept those changes in your local, that is your choice, but the main database does not belong to you. Quote:
You know that we have gone around about your failure to even document something as simple as CLT results before. You just go with it is because you say so. That does NOT improve the database. but you get away with it and I will one day find a load of crap from you I have no doubt. While this may be true, it doesn't matter. Ken, the owner of the program, decided that it wasn't required. While you may not like it, your beef is with him, not T!M or anybody else that contributes based on that decision. Quote:
Notes are important, nearly as important as the data itself This is a database, nothing is as important as the data. Quote:
and that is why w are required to provide verification method under the Rules and in technical areas such as Video eyes alone don't cut the mustard. For you, they don't cut the mustard, but this isn't your database and the rules do not allow you to contribute incorrect data simply because you don't like the verification method. Quote:
iN THE 10 YeARS ON THESE BOARDS i HAVE LEARNED EXACTLY HOW FEW USERS REALLY UNDERSTAND aNAMORPHIC VS. nON, So I am going to trust eyes...NO...not froma anyone., it's simply garbage can data to do so. You know what GIGO means, you have provided a lot of it. Once again, that is your opinion and choice, but you can't force either onto the main database. I know, for a fact, that it is quite easy to spot a non-anamorphic video on an HDTV. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. It's very easy to be provide hard data, it is irritating if you don't or won't. If I provide links to three reviews that confirm the video format, would that be enough for you? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're opinion and I'll thank you to allow me mine. I don't like garbage data and will NEVER support it in any for. It was not you who designed the Rules and i think know what the intent was whether you like it or not. Ken has chosen to allow this undocummneted crap into the Online, which when they were designed make us little more than a clone of another lousy system. I will NEVER play such a stupid game, we have liars ( as they are so fond of referring to me) and idiots submitting crap that simple. Ken wants to allow that's ken, I will not be party to it. I had hoped that invelos would be product with the highest data integrity in the world, not just another pile of brown stuff. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a video is widescreen, but the last 12.5% of your screen is blank on the left and right is blank, it's non-anamorphic. This doesn't require an undergraduate course or a protractor. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. It's very easy to be provide hard data, it is irritating if you don't or won't.
If I provide links to three reviews that confirm the video format, would that be enough for you? That would be hard data to me, DK and acceptable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting TheDarkKnight:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Does your TV display the data or are you trusting your eyes, if the latter, you know my answer., DK. Sorry...not good enough. It's very easy to be provide hard data, it is irritating if you don't or won't.
If I provide links to three reviews that confirm the video format, would that be enough for you?
That would be hard data to me, DK and acceptable. Really? I am surprised, they could easily be moved or deleted, making the link useless. Then the contribution notes turn worthless. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace: Sorry I don't buy it, simply because I am all to aware of the general knowledge of consumers in this field, which is close to zero, yet some think they know, usually just enough to be dangerous. Don't forget that a lot of our users are simply Joe Six-Packs who want the image to fill their screen, OAR wassat.  I remember way back when when a now defunct retailer was trying to make people believe that an early 2+2 Hi-Fi VCR was a four head machine, that was simply misrepresemtation on their part and they were supposed experts....NOT. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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