Quoting Pantheon:

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Don't repeat yourself and neither will I. Simple.

You may reverse the sentence. Had you not repeated many times that non-contributors are lazy, I should not have considered as necessary to re-explain the motivations of people who stopped contributing. But it seems that it will probably be necessary to explain some more, since you do not want to understand...

Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Don't repeat yourself and neither will I. Simple.

You may reverse the sentence. Had you not repeated many times that non-contributors are lazy, I should not have considered as necessary to re-explain the motivations of people who stopped contributing. But it seems that it will probably be necessary to explain some more, since you do not want to understand...

You're correct. Well done. You're very clever. Congratulations. You are the superior being and all knowing in all things Profiler and I will dutifully shut my mouth.

Seriously though. What is your point?

I understand fully your point regarding Cast and Crew. I may not agree, but I do understand it.

So, please explain to me, oh wise one, why people don't contribute audio tracks, subtitles, release dates, rating information or any of the other many fields that are simple to contribute with the rules?

If you are able to justify the lack of submissions to these simple fields I will bow to your superior understanding of Profiler users.

Or are you just taking the rare opportunity to criticise me because I told you exactly what I thought of you in a private message? We have absolutely no respect for each other; so it makes me wonder why we bother to converse?

Quoting surfeur51:

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I'm fed up to read that people who do not contribute are lazy. The word lazy has been used approximatively 27 times in this thread and it becomes really boring  .

It was the original poster, the one Pantheon was responding to, that said, not once, but twice, that he was lazy and that is why he doesn't contribute.  Try to twist it as much as you like, but this request has zero to do with the rules.  He wants to import data from IMDb because he doesn't want to do the work himself.  By his own words, it's because he is lazy.

Quoting Pantheon:

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...  why people don't contribute audio tracks, subtitles, release dates, rating information or any of the other many fields that are simple to contribute ...

I can't answer that, but at the risk of being accused of once again over-hyping plugins, just a reminder to anybody who wants to try it, DVDPca is a plugin that (I think) does a good job of pulling that kind of info automatically directly from the DVD. And then it creates a profile for you to continue to edit. Stepping aside the question of lazy, maybe it can help make it easier, especially for a newbie.

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Quoting Pantheon:

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...  why people don't contribute audio tracks, subtitles, release dates, rating information or any of the other many fields that are simple to contribute ...

I can't answer that, but at the risk of being accused of once again over-hyping plugins, just a reminder to anybody who wants to try it, DVDPca is a plugin that (I think) does a good job of pulling that kind of info automatically directly from the DVD. And then it creates a profile for you to continue to edit. Stepping aside the question of lazy, maybe it can help make it easier, especially for a newbie.

What an excellent suggestion. 

Quoting Lord Of The Sith:

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You make very good points.  However, I have a few questions.  On the product page it says that the database was/is created by dedicated users worldwide.  If you looked at this you knew that the database was "user" created.  If this was going to be a problem for you after you previewed the software, why did you buy it, with its obvious shortcomings? 

I this you may be right, but at that moment, I didn't realized that it was only the users that would provide the data. I plead guilty. Don't deny that. And also, as I stated before, DVD Profiler as a program is the best. Ones the dvd/movies are in.

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Datascraping can be good, but in most cases when it come to movies it is bad.  Most databases are incomplete and some are just completely wrong.  While it is true that our database is incomplete, I would say, it is likely more complete than most others out there. 

In this, I think you may be right, but also wrong. If I look at the movie part, that part that is most interesting for me, I think that others are more complete then DVDP's. If it is purely DVD wise, then yes you may be right. But also those DVD wise, are simply getting lesser. And you can see it different then me. But this is what I observe.

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You have 4000 DVDs and have NEVER contributed, why?  If you contributed even partial profiles, when you added them to your local database, the common database would be more complete.

Partly I explained before, but will explain again. Before the most Dvd's could be found in the database. So those I used the data from. So if thy are already in the database, there is no point to contribute again and I'm not even sure if it's possible. And I also don't check if the UPC is correct or not. I don't have the need to get the exact details as the actual DVD/BluRay is.

Because from the start already, I like to have a short story line and because I'm Dutch, I take the storyline from a website call moviemeter. So I have almost Always somewhat the same size. Also the genre I take from this one. Why? I don't want to have more then 2 genres.

Another issue is, and I understand, that there are mix feelings about. I download movies. And some may say steeling. But in the Netherlands it is legal to do. And because we are allowed to do, we pay some fee on every media we buy, empty DVD, harddrives and all other things data can be put on, even if it's not being used for that. A hardrive in the PC I pay this fee on while it is not being used for movies. This fee, will be some calculation (don't ask me how this works) will flow to the owners of the movie. That's why, those things are mst of the times more expensive than other countries. But for those movies, I don't have an UPC for, so I don't even know how I would be able to contribute.

And then when I can't find the movie/dvd in DVDP, I fill in the fields I need. Media Type, production year. Storyline and genre, still from moviemeter, some actors, that I mostliky take from IMDB. And the Disc location. And those are not allowed to be contributed and surely when I don't have an UPC.

And also, I  don't have the time and to be honest, I can't even force myself to, watch the credits and type those over to match DVDP rules. For this I don't have interest. Others may find enjoyment from this, but I don't. I have other interest that is taking my time. And I do appreciate their effort and all. But this is simply not for me and far away to be my hobby.

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I am also curious of what region or types of films you are entering that so many are missing from the database.  I am part of the 2K club, granted only half of what you have, but the majority of my mainstream films have been in the database.

Like I said, I don't care that much if the UPC is correct or not, or I don't even have one. So I Always select every region and country. The genres,I assume you mean, can be of all kinds (except porn and also not that much animated. But it can be war, drama, comedy, thriller, horror (except the ones with only blood), girls movies (someone else is like them) I don't know exactly because it is a wide range I have interest for.

When I have found films missing I have simply contributed. 

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Finally, why should you care about "my" database?  Simply put, because you are a member of this community it is "your" database too.

I didn't mean this disrespectfull, but the way I see it, it is not complete, and with incomplete I mean lots of movies are not to be found. If the data is correct or not, that I don't know and I don't check. Also because, I change even those the way I want them to be. And the mean reason I like it is, because of the actors and crew that is filled in and this I like to see an actor, click on him and see what other movies I have from him/her. But the main reason I don't see it as my DB, is because as reading here, people are do more effort then I do, to make this database. And as is known, I don't. So I technical maybe it is also my DB, but then I need to add some to it to and that I don't do. So I don't say it is mine.

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MY view of what the database should look like is what the rules tell us to do. As Pete said, this is YOUR database too. If you use this program then the database is as much yours as mine, or anyone else. When you don't contribute to improve the database it is yourself who suffers.

I agree partly. Sure, there should be rules to follow, otherwise it will be chaos. But it shouldn't be only op to the maker of the program. But the maker should also listen to the user's point of view and create the database as much as possible to the users need.

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For I joined and bought DVD Profiler, so I don't need to type all the data by myself and still could have access to all the movie information that there are

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Then you obviously didn't understand that Profiler uses a user-built database. Maybe the concept was foreign to you? I don't know. It's pretty clear that to buy a program because you 'don't need to type all the data by myself' is a bit silly. What did you think? That you'd never have to contribute? EVERYONE finds some data missing or profiles absent. I find lots of profiles I have to complete from scratch. What I don't do is sit back and complain that someone ELSE hasn't done the work for me. I create that profile and I submit it.

There are different ways to get a database full and it isn't Always said, that it only depends on users to do the work. It can be taken from multiple sources, like some programs also are doing when they provide a database that is not users build.

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And I don't care that much about that DVD part, those missing items, that I need, I can fill in myself.

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AND CONTRIBUTE!!!!!!?????

I just answered this question a minute ago to Lord of the Sith.

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As the ad was and is saying an still growing database, and I'm sorry to say, but indeed, it is growing but it is growing slower and slower and lesser and lesser. And I think I'm entitled to address this isseu, even if I don't contribute.

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Yes you are. But, we the contributors, are here to tell that the reason the database is growing slower and slower as the years go by is because of lazy people like you who don't contribute and think they're entitled to have a fully completed collection.    !!!!!!?????

You may call it like it is, and I stated already that I am lazy, I don't lie about that. But because, as you say yourself, there are more lazy people like me. And because of this, I would like to have that option in. You can like it or not. That is up to you. If you are happy with this database and how it is currently, then I am happy for you. But as you may know, I am not happy. And I don't blame the users that are contributing, my respect for them. But it is something Invelos has to improve himself and one way to do improve (the use of program only) is the option to import data from other sources.

Quoting Kulju:

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So to be short...
1. You have absolutely no idea what this db is designed for (A db for commercial DVD\BD\HD DVD movie releases)
2. You use illegal means to get your movies (Even though dowloading is legal in Neatherlands, uploading isn't)
3. And even if you get your movies in medias this db is ment for (commercial  DVD\BD\HD DVD) you don't understand how get correct info for that release (UPC + Locality pair)
4. You don't (or at least didn't) understand what user built db means.
5. You don't contribute

After all that complain about the db quality. I have a name for such person, but forum rules forbid for me to say it out loud.

I know this DB is for commercial DVD and all those things. As I do know where to find the UPC, but that doesn't mean, that I need to care. And I don't care.

And I also know the law in the Netherlands and it is indeed illegal to upload, but not to download. And if the industrie wouldn't be that greedy, but they want us to pay for the empty media and they don't want us to download. This I don't accept. Is one or another, but not double money spending on them. And this is my opionion regarding what you think. But beside that, I have something like 3000+ Original Dvd/BluRay's, so I do pay also. But like I said, they shouldn't claim both ways, for that way, at least I will, download if I want to see a movie quickly and ones downloaded, I keep.

And about the contribution, I said already couple of times, even I would do so, it isn't even allowed. But beside that, I don't have time to do and also it doesn't have my interest to do, like you may have. I have otherthings that will give me enjoyment, that you may not see like so.