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 Color of Money voters, can you check your discs? (Anamorphic or Non?) (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
@8ballMax I don't see anything wrong with this discussion right now. Really?  You don't see anything wrong with repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for 13-14 pages? Do you think that with each additional page a miracle will happen and Skip will concede defeat? How long have you been here?  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting TheDarkKnight:
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@8ballMax I don't see anything wrong with this discussion right now.
Really?
You don't see anything wrong with repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for 13-14 pages? Do you think that with each additional page a miracle will happen and Skip will concede defeat? How long have you been here? . Long time, long time and no, I see nothing wrong with a discussion that goes on without personal attacks. I think it's easy for those who don't care about it, simply don't click on the topic, that's all. Nobody has to read it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought my last post said it all........ | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
I thought my last post said it all........ It came close, very close................................... |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Frankly, I've found this thread to be very useful. At the very least, we now have the promise of no more crappy data being submitted. I think that's something. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Astar:
I will not even offer your comment an explanation or a comment. Now watch your mouth. You don't want to know what my reaction would be using such a word in my presence, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty. Keep your damn language to yourself. THANK YOU> What can I say, I call a spade a spade. edited: Removed the rest of the post as it is not relevant any more. I didn't realize another 2 pages had been added in between the above reply and my time of posting. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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@8ballMax I don't see anything wrong with this discussion right now.
Really?
You don't see anything wrong with repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for 13-14 pages? Do you think that with each additional page a miracle will happen and Skip will concede defeat? How long have you been here? .
Long time, long time and no, I see nothing wrong with a discussion that goes on without personal attacks. I think it's easy for those who don't care about it, simply don't click on the topic, that's all. Nobody has to read it. Would that were so. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | This will be my last post in this thread for many reasons. I am going to ramble on a bit, and I am going off topic, so you may want to ignore this post.
Everyone makes mistakes or have a lapse in judgment. I understand and accept that these things happen.
As many of you know, I am health care professional, who has 20+ years working in the hospital setting. When mistakes happen there, they can have serious, even deadly, consequences.
It is response to those errors that reflects, good or bad, on the person committing them.
When the mistake was immediately admitted, the patient and family notified, and corrective measures taken, the consequences were minimal.
Conversely, when the mistake is hidden, the patient and family ignored, and nothing is done to address the situation, the consequences were severe.
I personally have seen hospital professionals sued because of their actions. Families have told me that they never would have resorted to these measures but felt they had no choice because they needed to know the truth.
People don't want to be lied to. An admission of the error and an apology is a good start. But then they need to know what happened, why it happened and what is going to be done so that it doesn't happen again.
What they don't want or need are excuses and finger pointing. All this does is result in resentment, anger and lack of trust.
Invelos and database mistakes can not compare to the life and death situations in the hospital. But, the response of the community to these issues in both settings is the same.
When one makes mistake or has an error in judgment take immediate action. Own up to the situation, fix the problem and take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Any other response not only reflects badly on the person who does not take responsibility for their actions, it is disrespectful to the community who is impacted by those actions. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I made no judgement of the data, I went and looked at the old notes and simply reversed what was a bad Contribution And herein lies the problem. You revised data not because you judged it to be wrong, but because you disagreed with the way in which it was contributed. The only remedy we have with regards to "unacceptable" documentation is to vote "no" when it is presented, and possibly open a support ticket if it contains demonstrably false information. I sympathize with you because I've seen plenty of deficient or deceptive notes myself, but changing data without judging its veracity is not acceptable. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
DK:
The user provided no concrete support that the cover data was in error. There are substantial tools out there, all he has to do is use them. There may also be websites, which as I recall he alluded to, but did not include in his notes. It came down to because he said it is so, which is simply NOT good enough in my book. Like it or not, and it is quite clear that you don't, what is and isn't good enoug in your book is besides the point. As I said earlier, the rules tell us to "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database." Your contribution did not do that. In fact, your contribution did the exact opposite as it changed good data to bad. In addition, I have read the rules more times than I can count and I have yet to find the one that allows data to be changed simply because you don't like the previous notes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll go ahead and post because evryoen else seems to have been personally attacked and I feel neglected.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, the contribution changing this to non-anamorphic wasn't correctly documented. Isn't submitting a change with copy-pasted notes citing sources you didn't actually check compounding the problem if indeed there were one? If proper documentation is necessary, I don't see why it would become unecessary just because you are undoing a previous contribution. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I should add: if good documentation is important, it is important because it leads to good data. Trying to make documentation more important than data never makes sense. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
And herein lies the problem. You revised data not because you judged it to be wrong, but because you disagreed with the way in which it was contributed.
The only remedy we have with regards to "unacceptable" documentation is to vote "no" when it is presented, and possibly open a support ticket if it contains demonstrably false information. I sympathize with you because I've seen plenty of deficient or deceptive notes myself, but changing data without judging its veracity is not acceptable.
I agree completely Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Like it or not, and it is quite clear that you don't, what is and isn't good enoug in your book is besides the point. As I said earlier, the rules tell us to "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database." Your contribution did not do that. In fact, your contribution did the exact opposite as it changed good data to bad.
In addition, I have read the rules more times than I can count and I have yet to find the one that allows data to be changed simply because you don't like the previous notes. Again, agree completely. These two quotes sum up my feelings about this matter perfectly | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 252 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
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This is about whether a contribution can be made to reverse a prior contribution on the sole basis that the prior contribuition is undocumented or inadequately documented.
I'm not sure I can agree with this, since everyone knows that adequate documentation is not paramount...
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I think this is a terrible example. Pretty sure this is from when they moved from intervocative to Invelos an this is how the database was originally re-populated in early 2007. I wasn't here though so can't really comment much further. Exactly correct - that was the default automated note on all new contribs during the first days of Invelos. During that time, user contributions didn't even have an option to enter notes, and all were automatically accepted. Later, after the Great Outage and IVS and Invelos settled their differences, an automated import of the remaining IVS data was done - these profiles have no initial contribution note whatsoever, they only start with any user updates posted since then. For those wanting to view the antique notes, I seem to recall someone found a clever way to directly access the old IVS profile notes (as they are still archived here) without having to have the 2.x Profiler installed, but don't remember the details. Edit: Figured it out... the link is: http://www.intervocative.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC=and you add the UPC to the end. Note: the old Profiler UPCs were entered differently... for R1/US/CA you drop the first and last digit, and for all others drop just the first (sometimes the last, if it was entered wrong.) | | | | Last edited: by Cyclograph |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Cyclograph: Quote:
Exactly correct - that was the default automated note on all new contribs during the first days of Invelos. The point (which some seem to have missed) I was making is that it is common knowledge that the data is more important than the notes. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | And it's a very good point (which I missed as well  ). When the two databases were finally merged, I'm sure Ken could easily have brought the notes along with the profiles but chose not to. That and subsequent statements (such as full updates with minor errors will be accepted anyway) and actions (screeners accepting good data with bad notes) show that Invelos - the only people that count in this situation - consider data more important than documentation. |
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