Now as toJ68 and his response, I was trying to assist him in understanding the program a bit.I didn't even tell him that we go over his particular comments typically at least twice a year, so he was covering very old ground...I didn't say that.The strongest words i said to him was Let Profiler be Profile and let IMDb be IMDb. A clone of another database, no matter how accurate,is not needed be it IMDb, TCMDb, or whatever. If we need to clone then there is no real purpose for Profiler, since several Movie Dbs already exist..As Martian pointed out many users tend to view Profiler through the lenses from IMDb and we are different, we have a different set of standards than any other database out there, and trust me when I say IF those standards were followed by ALL users, no exceptions such as "something is better than nothing", then Profiler would flat out be the most powerful database in the industry.

My response from J68 was attitude. I will continue to try to assist, but to put it simply he didn't bring anything to the table that was new, he highlighted problems which are well-known and documented and that I think we all want fixed somehow, but that is not in our hands. The fix he described was even a fix that has been talked about for years...nothing nnew. Burt I didn't say any of that. He wants, apparently to worship at the Temple of IMDb, fine just keep it where it belongs.<shrugs>

All that said....welcome J68, I will try to help you anyway I can. We don't call it the Asylum for nothing.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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He wants, apparently to worship at the Temple of IMDb<shrugs>

roflmao

In any other conference I would call you a troll.  But as you have 19,750 posts to your credit I'll assume you make a habit of drawing conclusions from your imagination 

Accurate...yes. Denigrating and insulting...yes. You are 100% correct Martian in stating i's in the eye of the beholder,therein lies the problem. Did I find her comment unnecessary and insulting and insulting, absolutely and i said so.. The fact that you did not is fine, but then you weren't the  target.As I have said many times this all a two way street, not one way, my way or kathy's way. She has been called on her behavior which I find to be completely unacceptable, in my view it was denigrating and insulting and inrtended to be so...and i AM insulted. She has made absolutely NO attempt to disclaim her remark or apologize for it, so in my view she intended to be insulting and got caught at it, and worse others are defending it,and yes I threw a red at her for it immediately. I was furious at the time and still am. I don't know who kathy thinks she is, but as near as can tell she certainly appears to think that she is something.So I have no desire to discuss this further, it's up to kathy. i have said my peace on it, and allit does it make me angrier and more insulted. (but not at you,Martian)

Big for Kathy.

You, madam, did nothing wrong. (As I'm sure, just as everyone else who has read this thread, knows.)

The problem that I see with you Skip is that you are living in the past. By focusing on the past you are totally ignoring those who were not around then. I prefer to focus on the present and future.

Secondly, or is this the fourth or fifth time that I have explained to you, I did use the word "rules". But, from now on, and strictly because of you, I will use the word "guidelines" or "standards" every time I talk about this issue.

The people that use this program can read and when I post this: "http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx", I trust that they can read what invelos wants in regards to the contribution process. 

I am a 53 year old adult. I do not need you to "correct me" or tell me what to say or how to say it. I will use the terms that I feel are appropriate. I will not let you bully me into using only the word(s) that you find acceptable.

Regarding my notes when I contribute Cover Scans, once again you are stating your preferences and NOT those of Ken and Gerri. Read the "guidelines" Skip, there is not one word that requires me to detail WHY the scan I am submitting are an improvement:

"Cover Images

Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

    * The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality.
    * Image size must be at least as large as the existing online covers. If you don't have a premium registration, you will be unable to verify this. Therefore, submit only images you have personally scanned at 100 DPI or higher.
    * If you scan images for your personal database at a quality that are higher than 100 DPI, you may still submit them. If accepted, they will automatically be downsized for inclusion in the main database.
    * Image quality must be at least on par with the existing online covers. Covers that are larger than existing images but are of inferior clarity will not be accepted.
    * Images must not contain extra watermarks, autographs, or site links.
    * Images must be of the front and back only. Do not include the spine in either the front or back image.
    * Make sure neither front nor back is of lesser quality than the existing scans.
    * If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.
    * If a title is re-released with the same UPC, but different cover images do not contribute the new images. This includes cases where a DVD was initially released in a slipcase, which was later removed. As explained in the introduction you may use your personal images in your local database, but they will not show online.
    * Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.
    * HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs in either HD Slim or HD Keep Case type cases without slip covers should be scanned without the HD banner.
    * The inner sleeve may be used in lieu of the front cover as long as the only difference is the exclusion of sticker(s) or rating overlays."

It is true that you privately explained to me your rationale for why you want things to be your way. But, you neglect to mention that on many points I did not agree with your assessment and gave you my rationale.

When I asked you show me where, in the "guidelines" or forums I can go to confirm what you said, you refused. I'm sorry Skip but I do not feel that "trust me" or "I can teach you" is an adequate response to my questions.

I do not have to accept what you tell me. I have the ability to read, think and make up my own mind.

I have made mistakes on a contribution, everyone has. If someone votes "no" I carefully look into the matter. If I am wrong, I fix it.

Or, if Ken, Gerri or the screeners find my contributions, cover scans or documentation inadequate they can decline them.

I'm sorry but you do not own this database. I am not ignoring Ken and Gerri wishes, I am ignoring yours.  So, why don't you stop trying to explain my "shortcomings"?

Quoting Winston Smith:

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You are in no position to attempt to pick a fight with me, you too are guilty of selective targeting as are others.It;s nothing new or unusual, it is rather pathetic, that we have a bunch a play yard bullies who like to gang up one person, that includes you Alien and many others. Truly a pathetic lot.

Pick a fight with you? Bullies?

Would you like me to go back through your thousands of posts and find the hundreds of rude and nasty comments you said to others?

How about this one from right after your last "leave of absence":
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=478452&PageNum=2&messageID=1356410#M1356410

Or, take a look at the dozens of posts have had to be moderated because they were inappropriate.

Do you want to know how many I have had? One. The reason for that single moderation was because I requested that action be taken against someone that was blatantly violating the standards that invelos has in place.

I accepted responsibility for my mistake, apologized and have never been moderated again.

You, on the other hand, have never accepted responsibility for your actions. I don't ever remember you ever saying you were sorry for the things you have said. And, you continue to post comments that warrant moderation.

Who is the bully? Ask the moderators.

Quoting surfeur51:

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The only advantage of the CLT is to help some users to increase their 32800+ contributions score, which seems more important for them than asking Ken for a workable system.

Yves for those wise words I have no other choice than given you a big

Just a smaller example of how badly the CLT numbers get messed up by TV series credits:

Barbara K. Whinnery CLT: 21/37. Actual number of original titles? 3. That's 7x the amount of actual titles she's worked on.
Barbara Whinnery CLT: 27/48. Actual number of original titles? 6. That's over 4x the amount of actual titles she's worked on.

If we're supposed to rely as heavily on the CLT numbers as we do, something definitely needs to be fixed. It's unrealistic to ask every member who wants to enter an actor or crew into a profile that's worked on a lot of tv shows and may have had more than credit to their name to start a common name thread. They're actually quite a bit of work and fairly time consuming! It may have gotten lost in this thread somewhere, but has a request been put in in the request forums? If we started a 13 page thread there, I'm sure it would get noticed! 

Then let's go start posting in there!! Bump that shiitake mushroom up yo!!!