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Okay, help me understand, so I can keep up:

Two movies on one side of a disc cannot physically be entered as a boxset (due to program limitations).

Surfeur says there was a rule violation upon one that was entered, but I'm not following how or where. That's where I'm trying to keep up.

The rules say, "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
They go on to say, "Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets."

Due to a program limitation, not being able to use a disc ID twice, that can't be done.  Because of that, most of us create a single profile using dividers for cast and crew.  Technically, that is against the rules...because the rules say to create individual profiles for each movie.  That is the rule violation surfeur is talking about.  Because we don't follow the rules in that case, he throws it in our faces as being inconsistent, whenever we say we should follow the rules.

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I am sorry but letting users decide, on a per profile basis, which rules they can disregard, just doesn't sit well with me. 

I would hope it wouldn't sit well with anyone, but sometimes it happens, if only out of necessity. The problem becomes, however, a rule is modified and/or updated and the majority of submitters do not know. Contrary to what some may think, I'm a proponent of the rules, but we have to be realistic in thinking that, for one, the rules do not cover every situation and secondly, will never get updated enough (and I don't mean "updated enough" in the regards that they would be updated enough to satisfy everyone, I mean they won't be updated enough period).

So what happens is users are inadvertently forced to decide, sometimes, on a profile basis what to submit for information when it's not covered by the rules. And I would bet you many times, that's done on the submission level, without them checking the forum.

As I said, for areas where the rules aren't clear, I can understand it.  For areas where the rules are clear, doing it simply because you don't like what the end result is, is something I can't support.

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The rules say, "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
They go on to say, "Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets."

Due to a program limitation, not being able to use a disc ID twice, that can't be done.  Because of that, most of us create a single profile using dividers for cast and crew.  Technically, that is against the rules...because the rules say to create individual profiles for each movie.  That is the rule violation surfeur is talking about.  Because we don't follow the rules in that case, he throws it in our faces as being inconsistent, whenever we say we should follow the rules.

So why not just include several profiles in single boxset profile?

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I am not sure what you are asking as we do combine the two profiles into a single one. 

No the profiles for the films in the boxset retain there own unique profile there just grouped into a single common profile to represent they are also part of a boxset

hal and martian, got you, thanks! 

I can't speak for surfeur, but for myself, I can see where he's coming from. Is it comparing apples to oranges, yeah, probably, but when you have some people literally screaming about rules, rules, rules must be followed, except where they aren't, it's a bit contradictory.

Of course I'm not saying everyone screams this, but I easily see both points. Yes, there are times rules can't be followed due to a gray area, and I think everyone can agree to that. At the same time you (GENERAL YOU) can't scream rules must be followed at all times no matter what when there are plenty of times that they just can't be followed.

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Because we don't follow the rules in that case, he throws it in our faces as being inconsistent, whenever we say we should follow the rules.

Do you think this could be cause and effect? Cause would be someone consistently hammering the rules down the throat, then being hypocritical when it pertains to them?

(As per usual, this is not at all directed at you, by any stretch. I actually enjoy discussing this stuff with you because even if I don't agree with you, it never resorts to mudslinging. )

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As I said, for areas where the rules aren't clear, I can understand it.  For areas where the rules are clear, doing it simply because you don't like what the end result is, is something I can't support.

I agree.

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There is a difference between ignoring the rule due to program limitations and ignoring the rules because you don't like what they say.  If you can't see that difference, there is no point in discussing this further.

I never ignore the rules, even when I do not like them. I always contributed strictly per them. I am just obliged by them to make sometimes stupid things, and I do them because they are rules. And you, in the same case, you violate them because of "program limitations". Please tell me where rules  explain that in case of program limitation we can violate them. Had what I proposed been accepted, you would be correct. In present situation, you are not.

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I am not sure what you are asking as we do combine the two profiles into a single one. 

No the profiles for the films in the boxset retain there own unique profile there just grouped into a single common profile to represent they are also part of a boxset

Not if you have more than one film on the same side of a DVD (Bluray?).

You just can't do it!

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So there for you admit the over stringent rules lack the flexibility needed when databasing disc media. There is not the ability to properly list boxsets, double sliders or re releases in the database.

There for the database by it's own rules is flawed.

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You know perfectly well that two movies on one side of a disc CANNOT PHYSICALLY BE ENTERED AS A BOXSET.  The program does not permit it.

Entering it as a single profile is the ONLY way it can be done because that's the only thing the program permits.

No, it's not the only way. You can make two manual profiles, keep them local, then share them through a particular thread or site as it is done for other things that we share but that cannot be contributed due to program limitations: headshots, and images for galleries.

Since there is another way, I do not see any reason to violate rules.

Once again, it is inconsistent to ask to follow strictly rules then explain there are cases where we can violate them. Except if rules had a preliminary sentence explaining that in odd cases, rules may be interpreted with the aim of improving the data, with documented explanations given to voters and screeners to decide if it is acceptable.

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As I said, because you don't see a difference, there is no point in discussing this further.

Well, if you think that the best way to promote a system (the rules), is to do yourself the contrary of what you ask other users to do, I understand better the mess in the online.

"You do what I say and I do what I want." doesn't work with 500 000 users.

I'm sorry, but the problem with this system, which doesn't work, comes from the fact that no room is left for odd cases, and everybody, you the first, does what he wants in those odd cases.