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Were I Ken, I would in fact ADD two more name fields for Prefixes and Suffixes.

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Sorry Skip, but that would go against the rules - you can do what you like locally, but it's not for the online.

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... but it was worth it. 

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Rules are not simple today. American users must undestand that "middle name" means nothing for thousands of users who do not spend their time on those forums, and who do not know how to manage it (I will not give for the third time the example of reverends... which clearly shows that contributors made the wrong thing).

Why must we, American users, understand that the term 'middle name' means nothing for thousands of users who do not spend their time on these forums?  Why can't those users make an attempt to figure out what the American term, used in the American program that they purchased, means?

As I said before, if I purchased a French program that used French terms, I would make an attempt to figure out what those terms meant.  I would not expect the French programmer to alter his program to accomidate my standards.  But, again, that's just me. 

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But hat lack is certainly cause for laughter

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Hat deprivation is no laughing matter... 

Back when communication was done by ship it mattered where a program was developed. Now it only matters what the target market is (hence the outsourcing etc).

And yes, if a French programmer wants to target the US market, then he needs to make adjustments to the program. Just like a US programmer who want to target markets outside the US needs to make adjustments. This has been done for decades and really isn't anything new, though it was indeed "normal" that small companies didn't do it a decade ago - obviously the Internet changed that as even the smallest company can now target a global market.

Ken has already made some adjustements, so clearly it is a market he is interested in, but he might indeed not be willing to do more than he has already done (meaning he is not aiming for higher market share than he can get with the current adjustment). And obviously the users can use the request forum to request further international support, just as any other feature can be requested.

I am sure Ken is smart enough to make the decision on what to implement based on intelligent arguments, not childish comments about cave people, antiquated cultures and whatnot that no intelligent person would ever mention.

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Back when communication was done by ship it mattered where a program was developed. Now it only matters what the target market is (hence the outsourcing etc).

And yes, if a French programmer wants to target the US market, then he needs to make adjustments to the program. Just like a US programmer who want to target markets outside the US needs to make adjustments. This has been done for decades and really isn't anything new, though it was indeed "normal" that small companies didn't do it a decade ago - obviously the Internet changed that as even the smallest company can now target a global market.

Ken has already made some adjustements, so clearly it is a market he is interested in, but he might indeed not be willing to do more than he has already done (meaning he is not aiming for higher market share than he can get with the current adjustment). And obviously the users can use the request forum to request further international support, just as any other feature can be requested.

I am sure Ken is smart enough to make the decision on what to implement based on intelligent arguments, not childish comments about cave people, antiquated cultures and whatnot that no intelligent person would ever mention.

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I am not the one employing nonsensical arguments to try and gain a fundamental change in the rules. One which is done purely for personal/cultural purposes, and the functionality of which is available RIGHT NOW in the LOCAL program. As long as there are those who (1) refuse to understand the difference between the online and THE PROGRAM and where the program resides and (2) those who wish to use IMAGINARY data to corrupt the database, that is to say data which does NOT appear On Screen in the form they want it to, then this argum,ent will go on. My patience has been way overstretched on this issue. There are some people who either can't or won't understand and i don't know which it is. The one conclusion I have reached is that there is a set of people who don't like the Rules and want to do things THEIR way and will do anything and invent any subversion they can think of to try and undermine them, and i have no tolerance nor respect for such.

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Except that you have no consensus. From what i can see, there are a FEW very vocal userswho support it and a few more which i could add to that list and far more who don't.

This type of thing has been polled numerous times and shot down EVERY TIME. Yet you don't get it.

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...  I would not expect the French programmer to alter his program to accomidate my standards.  But, again, that's just me. 

You mean that if you used a french program, with a forum dedicated to requests intended to improve it, you would not make any request as the author is not from your country ???

Please don't twist my words.  That is not what I said.  What I said was, I would not ask him to alter his program to accomidate my standards.  As an example, if his program had data fields label 'surname' and 'given name', I would not ask him to change them to 'last name' and 'first name', simply because those are the standards I am used to.

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When I opened this thread, I made nothing else than a request on a request forum, knowing perfectly that Ken will implement it only if he thinks it is interesting for his program. The problem is not cultural. Even for an American, I think that Sting should not be sorted before Jessica Alba.

I agree that Sting should not be sorted before Jessica Alba and adding a tickbox, that tells the program which field to sort on, would solve that...not that it matters to me as I don't sort my cast list alphabetically, but that is another discussion.  And, no, that is not a cultural issue.  But that wasn't your only request, now, was it?

You also requested that Ken remove the 'middle name' field.  Something that is cultural and would not solve the sorting problem.