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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMDB and Box Office Mojo (For US releases) has my vote.
I know there is the tired argument that IMDB data is oh so horrible, but I really don't care about that argument, because it can easily be said that the Profiler DB is riddled with errors, as well.
Overall, though, both get the job done, depending on what you use them for. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we can get it changed in the rules (of course this would be up to Ken... I do realize that) I agree we would need a secondary source. I have seen the end credits get cut on a small handful of disc. Mostly those very cheap (think $1 DVDs from places like Dollar Tree) releases of public domain movies. Another thing that I don't like about copyright date from credits... a lot of them use Roman Numerals. I always had trouble reading a line of Roman Numerals.  And I am sure I am not the only one out there with that problem. I think the way I would want to make the rule... that I think would be easiest for everyone... First place to look for the year... back cover art. That would be the first place I believe anyone would look for such info. Then if the year is not on the back cover art... go to the copyright date in end credits. Then I believe we need some sort of way for 3rd party source for only when there is no year on the cover or in the credits. And for that 3rd party source I would say need to give 3 online sources that agree on the year. This way they are not always dependent on 1 or 2 sites. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | A potential drawback of using back cover art might be that sometimes several years are mentioned, e.g. copyright year for the movie AND copyright year for the DVD release and/or the first DVD release for that particular movie (i.e. for the digital transfer).
And as we already have too many users that don't know the difference between Production Year (movie) and Release Date (DVD), we might be opening a can of worms if we would go down this road. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
And that is what it means to you which is of course valid as it is your opinion. But what it actually means is when it was first released in a theatre. We have a reference for interpreting words and that is a dictionary so we don't need user interpretation. Maybe your dictionary is different than mine as mine does not define terms. Yes, using the most pedantic definition of each word, theatrical release means a release in a theater. Unfortunately, the film industry does not use the most pedantic definition and the definition can vary by country. The AFC, as an example, defines it as a commercial screening, for one week, in a cinema. WikiAnswers says it means that a film is released in theaters, plural, as opposed to being direct to video/DVD. The HMRC, from what I have read, has a tax law that defines it as an, “Exhibition to the paying public at the commercial cinema. A film is not regarded as genuinely intended for theatrical release unless it is intended that a significant proportion of the earnings from the film should be obtained by such exhibition. What constitutes a significant proportion of income will depend on the particular facts of each case.” Quote:
There is a term for what you describe and that is general release which is not what the rules tell us to use. Again, that depends on what definition you use. In Hollywood, the two terms are interchangeable. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
You guys have argued yourselves in a circle. The field says production date. Change the rule so that we use the copyright date in the film (which is the production date) and ask Ken to give you a new field for your release date.
Of course, I suggested this when we went over it for the first version of the rules but you guys wanted to argue.
I do hope you are enjoying yourselves. 
Edit: We are still in beta. This is a very easy thing to add. Your job is to talk Ken into it. Agreed, Dan. Please tell these people that there is NOTHUING new here This idea is OLD, the arguments are all equally OLD. haven't seen a single original thought or idea in TEN pages. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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You guys have argued yourselves in a circle. The field says production date. Change the rule so that we use the copyright date in the film (which is the production date) and ask Ken to give you a new field for your release date.
Of course, I suggested this when we went over it for the first version of the rules but you guys wanted to argue.
I do hope you are enjoying yourselves.
Edit: We are still in beta. This is a very easy thing to add. Your job is to talk Ken into it.
Agreed, Dan. Please tell these people that there is NOTHUING new here This idea is OLD, the arguments are all equally OLD. haven't seen a single original thought or idea in TEN pages.
Skip Original thought???? You do realize that we are talking about the modern film industry don't you?  Edit: Uh..... oops. You were talking about this old worn out argument, weren't you? Sorry about the confusion, Skip.  | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
You guys have argued yourselves in a circle. The field says production date. Change the rule so that we use the copyright date in the film (which is the production date) and ask Ken to give you a new field for your release date.
Of course, I suggested this when we went over it for the first version of the rules but you guys wanted to argue.
I do hope you are enjoying yourselves.
Edit: We are still in beta. This is a very easy thing to add. Your job is to talk Ken into it.
Agreed, Dan. Please tell these people that there is NOTHUING new here This idea is OLD, the arguments are all equally OLD. haven't seen a single original thought or idea in TEN pages.
Skip Oh, come on, Skip. I don't recall a new field called "Film Festival Release Date" having been discussed before!!  But, then, I could have missed it!  | | | | Hal |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Quoting Dan W:
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You guys have argued yourselves in a circle. The field says production date. Change the rule so that we use the copyright date in the film (which is the production date) and ask Ken to give you a new field for your release date.
Of course, I suggested this when we went over it for the first version of the rules but you guys wanted to argue.
I do hope you are enjoying yourselves.
Edit: We are still in beta. This is a very easy thing to add. Your job is to talk Ken into it.
Agreed, Dan. Please tell these people that there is NOTHUING new here This idea is OLD, the arguments are all equally OLD. haven't seen a single original thought or idea in TEN pages.
Skip
Original thought???? You do realize that we are talking about the modern film industry don't you?
Edit: Uh..... oops. You were talking about this old worn out argument, weren't you? Sorry about the confusion, Skip. ROFLMAO Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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