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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Out of curiosity...what are the other two submitted genres for the profile(s) in question?
(I'm assuming all three are used and the other two are valid.) | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tim Quote:
Not exactly. It's not that we have no rules, it's that you have a long-standing tendency to misinterpret them. Oh I see, now your ego makes you believe that YOU developed the rules.  I wouldn't doubt it for a second. How insulting can you get, Tim Drama and television, i think, tweeter i would have to look, Ski | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Out of curiosity...what are the other two submitted genres for the profile(s) in question? I submitted Crime - Drama - Television. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | editted | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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The simple fact that T!M is adding 26 episodes worth of cast and crew (Thank you, T!M) should get this approved.
Going by a fairly recent statement from Ken (or was it Gerri?) that if the majority of the data is correct & valid (I've not checked as I don't have it) then the contribution will be accepted I'd say it probably would be. - Thanks T!M for posting the link to Ken's post. Yeah let's hide behind ken & Gerri to excuse the submission and subsequent acceptance and correction of INCORRECT data which gets submitted and then has tio be re-corrected because the Original user chose to ignore the data that needed to be fixed because after all MOST of the data was correct. I have NEVER submitted such data and NEVER will, I don't wnat my name associated with data which should have been fixed by me, but some of us ....well what can i say. If Rules are not enforced, for whatever excuse, then we have no rules. If users refuse to fix problems then we have no database. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Some of you think it is the former, while Skip thinks it is the latter. I am leaning towards the latter. Why? Because of the wording. If it were the former, why wasn't it worded that way...which is very similar to the disc ID rule? I lean toward Skip's interpretation, too, though I don't think it's as clear cut an interpretation as he does. If the Ken wants us to not change a genre (or reorder them) unless the genre were blatantly wrong (as Skip contends), he shouldn't have include the word " only." If the rule were simply, " Do not make contributions that change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect." then there would be no question what was meant. I'm not sure why the word "only" is there if we are not supposed to update genres with more "appropriate" ones. That one word makes me think Ken doesn't want us just making genre changes where the data is not wrong but maybe less appropriate. I'd prefer these changes not be made at all, because it opens the flood gates of ping-ponging contributions based solely on personal interpretation of which genre is correct. My personal belief is that unless it's blatantly wrong, it should be firsr-come, first-served -- and people are free later to fix their local database according to their interpretation. Otherwise, if T!M gets a lot of people to vote yes for his contribution, Skip could come back with a contribution to change it back - and maybe get more voters to agree with him. And so on, and so on, and so on. But this can happen whenever Ken adds a new genre into the program. BTW, Skip, I don't think "crime" is any more incorrect than "suspense/thriller" is. It's stictly a matter of interpretation. While I agree with you about not changing the existing genres, I actually agree that "crime" is actually a better fit. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken:
I am not arguing about Crime or even judging it for its merits. I am dealing as i always do with the Rules and I don't see that the Rules allow for this in any way. There is one question to be asked based upon the Rules, Is Suspense/Thriller blatantly INCORRECT, not less correct than crime, or less appropriate or anything else, but blatantly INCORRECT. That answer is NO, therefore to make a change in that data is one that is based on upon personal interpretation and/or personal preference bot of which are CLEARLY disallowed by the Rules. And the Rule further explains specifically how a user is to deal with such personal interpretation or preference data
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
My personal belief is that unless it's blatantly wrong, it should be firsr-come, first-served -- and people are free later to fix their local database according to their interpretation. If both "Suspense/Thriller" and "Crime" had been available at the time the profile was created, I'd agree with you. But now that a more accurate (IMHO) genre has been provided, I think that using it is more important than a strict interpretation of the Rules which did not foresee this situation. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | With regards to changing the genre, I'm leaning towards Skips interpretation as well. And personally, I think suspense/thriller is more a more describing genre than crime. To me, crime isn't even a genre. Sure, crime is more specific, but it tells me nothing about what kind of movie it is, just the topic of the movie. When looking at the genre I expect to find mood the film is in. (If it's a movie to laugh about, to get scared from etc). Crime doesn't tell me that, suspense/thriller does.
The same with a change adding 'Crime' to The Police Academy. To me, crime has nothing to do with The Police Academy and is almost misleading. (I didn't vote no though, as there were additional changes)
But I guess my opinion is because I have a different definition of genre than some other have
EDIT: And I wouldn't vote no on Tims contribution because it adds so much more than just the genre changes and genre changes are a grey area | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting kdh1949:
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My personal belief is that unless it's blatantly wrong, it should be firsr-come, first-served -- and people are free later to fix their local database according to their interpretation.
If both "Suspense/Thriller" and "Crime" had been available at the time the profile was created, I'd agree with you. But now that a more accurate (IMHO) genre has been provided, I think that using it is more important than a strict interpretation of the Rules which did not foresee this situation. You said it rightly, Hal, in YOUR opinion. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
With regards to changing the genre, I'm leaning towards Skips interpretation as well. And personally, I think suspense/thriller is more a more describing genre than crime. To me, crime isn't even a genre. Sure, crime is more specific, but it tells me nothing about what kind of movie it is, just the topic of the movie. When looking at the genre I expect to find mood the film is in. (If it's a movie to laugh about, to get scared from etc). Crime doesn't tell me that, suspense/thriller does.
The same with a change adding 'Crime' to The Police Academy. To me, crime has nothing to do with The Police Academy and is almost misleading. (I didn't vote no though, as there were additional changes)
But I guess my opinion is because I have a different definition of genre than some other have
Reybr:
EDIT: And I wouldn't vote no on Tims contribution because it adds so much more than just the genre changes and genre changes are a grey area So as long as you are submitting lots of data, it is OK to ignore the rules on some little piece...not in my book. That way lies Chaos I remember what Contributions and Updates used to look like, I don't want to go back there. The database was not usable to anyone. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | While I disagree partially with Skip's standpoint I personally do not think it it worth the hassle (or 11 pages of discussion) submitting genre changes.
I agree with others here that it's first-come-first-served.
For example I recently audited CSI and left the child profiles as Suspense/Thriller even though I felt Crime was more appropriate. HOWEVER, I was submitting brand new child profiles into the online and on those I DID put Crime and NOT suspense/t.
Given that genres are such a very, very, very tiny part of a profile I just think they're best left alone.
My advice to T!M would be this: just don't submit them in the future (thereby avoiding this kind of futile discussion)...you do quite enough work on your profiles without causing yourself unnecessary difficulties. |
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