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 Color of Money voters, can you check your discs? (Anamorphic or Non?) (Locked) |
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 | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 |  Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | (Preface: The original data had no documentation. Maybe it shouldn't have gone through if basing this issue on the rules stating documentation is required, and I agree that having the rules is important. Nonetheless, it went through. It was up to the voters and screeners to decide if it should go through, and I guess they made a mistake if the need for documentation was not met -- which I can understand why the need is there.)
Now, with that said, This is not Wikipedia.
A contributor should never just "undo" things later (even if entered correctly the first time) just because the changes made did not fit a particular process in the rules. You move on unless there is another change to be made making the data [more?] correct. If the correct data slips by without fitting into a particular mindset of the process that should have been taken, perhaps it's reasonable to bring this up next time. But someone shouldn't just destroy the sandcastle and say that the person needs to start again. In fact -- in my eyes -- if documentation was not provided and someone comes along feeling it is necessary yet wasn't there, they should make another valid contribution and in their notes provide the documentation missed by the previous submitter in a polite or neutral manner.
Reverting data made by "John Doe" because he did not follow the correct procedure (or any other reasoning) doesn't just affect John Doe (in fact, he is likely the least affected because the data is still local for him). It effects everyone that uses the database. It means, now, a third person has to go back and change the data yet again (making it correct again), hoping this time to follow the steps exactly otherwise the same thing (a revert) might happen again, and person #4 has to step in and enter the correct data.
That's far less constructive than data without documentation. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Blair: Quote:
(Preface: The original data had no documentation. Maybe it shouldn't have gone through if basing this issue on the rules stating documentation is required, and I agree that having the rules is important. Nonetheless, it went through. It was up to the voters and screeners to decide if it should go through, and I guess they made a mistake if the need for documentation was not met -- which I can understand why the need is there.) Yes but you have to keep in mind that in March 2007 when the changeover happened there were NO notes at All for ANYthing contributed to Invelos .. It was a free for all.. ( don't you remember the frenzy we were going thru trying to get 13,000 titles transferred over in what 7 days??? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | No I don't, since I wasn't a member yet back then, but having been through similar issues on other forums, I can understand the chaos  | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Scott: Regarding this particular post, please have a clue of what you arre speaking about before making an inflammatory post. You very obviously don'y. Sorry. That was the original transferred ontribution from Intervocative
I'm well aware of that, yet all the data was brought over without "adequate" documentation.
I'm not pointing fingers at you for this, as I'm aware that this is just the way it was done. This was merely to point out that we all know that you know documentation is sometimes lacking and that that's no excuse for removing good data.
--------------- scptt: Again, with all due respect, you don't know any of that. MOST if not all of my own titles had documentation at Intervocative, and not just guesswork based upon "it is because I say it is". That to me is not documentation. But you have to have access to the Intervocative data, which seems rare these days. Ill not say all, just most because if i recall correctly, at that time I was transferring in excess of 2000 titles on my own. I would have preferred a better system than was created, BUT at the same time I understood the rationale behind what Ken did to build the Invelos database in as swift and timely a method as possible, so without doubt mistakes were inadvertently entered by all of us that were involved. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Blair:
I understand your argument but do not share your conclusion. I cannot and will not vote yes to any data that "is because some user says it is. I expect to see some form of hard documentation, I don't care if it's a link, a tool or whatever but not because "say so." That is not documentation and in my book acceptance of such data is the absolute WORST | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | What an odd thread, I don't think I've ever seen one quite like this before. I'm thankful that the data is straightened out. All I want is correct data. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if your horse whispered it to you, I just want it to be right. I'm simple that way. Much like the real world versus academia, I could care less about your methods, only in your results. |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote:
Goodness me, what a happy bunch you all are. Personally I can’t wait for Hollywood to pick up on this thread and turn it into a summer blockbuster. Or at the very least a TV miniseries. Anyone any ideas on who should play who in it? LOL yeah: " The not-so-social network" I wanna be played by Jack Nicohlson, sitting nude behind a computer, typing like a raving mad-man  | | | Blu-ray collection
DVD collection
My Games
My Trophies |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
BUT at the same time I understood the rationale behind what Ken did to build the Invelos database in as swift and timely a method as possible, so without doubt mistakes were inadvertently entered by all of us that were involved. I understand it too, and as I said I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. My illustration was just to clarify that we all understand that adequate documentation was not always entered, and that that is not a reason in an of itself to make changes. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Quoting SpikyCactus:
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Goodness me, what a happy bunch you all are. Personally I can’t wait for Hollywood to pick up on this thread and turn it into a summer blockbuster. Or at the very least a TV miniseries. Anyone any ideas on who should play who in it?
LOL yeah: "The not-so-social network"
I wanna be played by Jack Nicohlson, sitting nude behind a computer, typing like a raving mad-man Wow, talk about TMI!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Quoting SpikyCactus:
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Goodness me, what a happy bunch you all are. Personally I can’t wait for Hollywood to pick up on this thread and turn it into a summer blockbuster. Or at the very least a TV miniseries. Anyone any ideas on who should play who in it?
LOL yeah: "The not-so-social network"
I wanna be played by Jack Nicohlson, sitting nude behind a computer, typing like a raving mad-man Just suppose in "The Not-so-social Network"* the end credits didn't give the characters' names. I can just imagine the 'debate' that would erupt, around someone claiming to be the character the actor was playing and thus putting his/her name into the contribution, but not offering adequate documentation for this other than, "well, the character is me isn't it?” I prefer to type in underpants myself... *Taro. I'm afraid I've had to capitalise the title there for you there, in line with the Rules. You also haven't documented where you got this name from. As a result you should remove every posting you've ever made anywhere, ever, about anything, even the useful ones. (But then again, is Not-so-social actually only one word and thus only in need of a capital letter at the start?) | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... | | | | Last edited: by SpikyCactus |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
I think there are a few different issues gong on here.
It seems to me that Skip's issue is that it was changed (correctly) to Non-anamorphic but done so without documentation. Let me correct you on this point. The change was made WITH documentation, visual documentation, but documentation none the less. Skip, for reasons only he knows, doesn't want to accept that as documentation. Quote:
Skip made a new contribution trying to get it changed back to enhanced. Is that correct? He cited that it was indeed enhanced and provided notes that 2-3 programs identified it as in fact being enhanced.
Many people are quick to call him out for lying, which I think is a bit hasty. From what I can gather, Skip did not verify that the disc was anamorphic...at least not prior to his contribution. What he did was copy the notes from a contribution that was made at the old Intervocative site. Those notes, and by extension the tools used, are four years old. Current, up to date tools, report it as non-anamorphic. Quote:
But if he actually thought he was fixing an error that is a different story. From what I can gather, he didn't. Based on what I have read, he made the change because, in his mind, unacceptable documentation means the data is wrong...even when it is correct. As to the rest of your post, I think you have it right. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here are all of the notes from the Intervocative site for people who never had the old program or no longer have it.   As you can see, May 10, 2006 was the last update to the profile at Intervocative. edit: can't type | | | | Kevin | | | | Last edited: by antolod |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
Here are all of the notes from the Intervocative site for people who never had the old program or no longer have it.
***IMAGE SNIPPED***
As you can see, May 10, 2006 was the last update to the profile at Intervocative.
edit: can't type Now I am confused...the implication was that the notes, for the contribution in question, came from the IVS contribution. This seems to indicate that they weren't.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmmm..interesting. Nothing there about PowerDVD, DVDShrink or DVDecrypter showing that this is 16X9 anamorphic. So exactly where DID those old contribution notes come from, Skip? They're not on the Invelos site either. And the hole just keeps getting deeper!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Now I am confused...the implication was that the notes, for the contribution in question, came from the IVS contribution. This seems to indicate that they weren't. Since there are only two possible sources for the notes, IVS or here at Invelos, and we know they don't exist here, then this is a bit more than an implication. Other course, there is one other place they they could have come from......Skip's imagination! | | | | Hal |
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