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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
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The reality is, companies never market their series DVDs as episodes, they always come as "Seasons".
But some come as 4 episode volumes, 2 episode 'tasters', part seasons, best ofs including episodes from various seasons etc etc. Now that we found out about the Masters of Horror curiosity (imdb: originally the episodes were just going to be released on DVD): Could you say that series are principally released as "Seasons"? Like every series has a season release, but by no means every series is also released differently? Like already the studios divided them into seasons? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbbb: Quote:
Could you say that series are principally released as "Seasons"? Like every series has a season release, but by no means every series is also released differently? Like already the studios divided them into seasons? I'm not exactly sure what you mean, sorry. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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So, do they use an Original Title that is different from the mother season profile?
There's no real consistency in the database about that either. We do not have inconsistencies regarding movies, do we? We use the same Original Title there. We do not multiply cast and crew there (no credits in Box Sets). | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbbb: Quote:
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So, do they use an Original Title that is different from the mother season profile?
There's no real consistency in the database about that either.
We do not have inconsistencies regarding movies, do we? We use the same Original Title there. We do not multiply cast and crew there (no credits in Box Sets). True, but TV shows are spread over more than one production and have a set of credits (that can and do differ) every episode/season. That is my question. If I own a best of which features 4 episodes of a TV shows from 4 different seasons, are the credits counted 4 times (as different seasons) or once? What if the name differs between episodes and seasons? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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You know what? I'm done. We've got a poll that says that we count TV credits per season.
I must have missed the poll that says this. The CLT results are "counted once per profile regardless of the number of times in that profile the credit is listed in the cast and crew". So, before disc-based child profiles were added, and all the best-of, tasters, volume or complete series sets started to multiply the results, we used to count TV credits per season. This has always been a basic principle. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the early days it was very common for seasons to be sold initailly as part 1 part 2 etc, probably a throw back to VHS. Friends Dr Who, Battlestar etc. Also often the "best of" preceded the full season/series eg knight rider, bionic woman 6 million dollar man etc etc. So it's not the default position but yes child profiles do make a difference. But maybe they should, we don't count all of Desmond Llewelyn's Bond appearances as one credit and arguably Giles appears far more in a single episode of Buffy than all of Q's bond appearances put together, let alone per disk of 4 episodes. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yup... I been collecting TV series since they first started to be released on DVD and there was never a single way to release them. Star Trek started with best of volumes... The X-Files with Season sets. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stargate SG-1 started out with 5 volumes per season each released separately.
As far as I'm concerned, as stated earlier, each episode is a "production", and every time a person is credited no matter where or how, it should be counted. And, yes, I know that's not the way the CLT works today.
Not to overstate the obvious, but, just another example of how the current system is seriously broken. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe Farscape did the same thing...volumes, with 4 episodes, sold individually. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Afaik "Lexx" too. It was not *that* uncommon in the early days... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Like I said, the common name is just supposed to be a link. It is not supposed to indicate anything special. That's a common misconception. The common name is much more than a link. The common name is the name which is used for a person in the profiler database and consists of up to four text fields where each of those fields has a special meaning (whereas the as credited name is only a single text field). IMO this is reason enough to select the common name wisely and not randomly. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The reality is, the studios treat each episode as a single production. That's only part of the reality as well. Sometimes regular cast is credited in an episode even though they do not appear at all. The reality is, they treat each episode as a part of a bigger show where the term production is not clearly defined. I would tend to look at the season as the production unit though. |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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The reality is, the studios treat each episode as a single production.
That's only part of the reality as well. Sometimes regular cast is credited in an episode even though they do not appear at all. The reality is, they treat each episode as a part of a bigger show where the term production is not clearly defined. I would tend to look at the season as the production unit though. Fully agree. Furthermore my experience is that the actual production crew stays more or less the same during a complete season (sometimes at the start of the second half of a season some minor changes occur but most of the time those are role changes like Consulting Producer -> Executive Producer). During a season there are a bunch of writers, directors, director of photography and editors that are credited in turn. And it's also common that in a season writers are sometimes directors and the other way around or are producers as well. The art crew stays more or less the same during a season. The major crew changes are taking place between seasons. The same goes for the main cast. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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The reality is, the studios treat each episode as a single production.
That's only part of the reality as well. Sometimes regular cast is credited in an episode even though they do not appear at all. The reality is, they treat each episode as a part of a bigger show where the term production is not clearly defined. I would tend to look at the season as the production unit though. This has to do with their contract, not the "production". If their contract states that they get a credit for every episode whether they appear or not, that's what happens. And what difference does it make? The credit appears in the episode, therefore, it should be counted. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with Hal.
And besides that... that is not always the case. For example When I was originally doing cast lists for Charmed years ago when we first got episode dividers I quickly learned they had a set of 3 or 4 different sets of opening credits per season... each episode using the appropriate one depending on who was in that particular episode. Not to mention how now you see more and more series going with a title card instead of a longer opening sequence... and the names of the main stars are done no differently then the guest stars... during the beginning of the actual episode. And once again... depending on their contract once again all the stars may or may not be mentioned for every episode.
What it boils down to is there is no strict rules that the studios follow. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
...there is no strict rules that the studios follow. I've never seen any rule on any subject that is to be applied by studios everywhere in the world.  Nobody with common sense would accept in real life to act blindly as we do with Invelos rules. | | | | Images from movies |
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