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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
That seems slightly contradictory to me. We take the Title from the cover. Period. We cannot use the spine or the credit block as others have advocated in the past. Is it possible that because of the size of the spine that the full title simply does not fit? Maybe that's why it is not a reliable (or permissible) source for the title? Often there is more text on the cover than just the title. In order to determine what part of the text is the title we can of course use the graphical layout and other sources such as the spine or the credit block and common sense. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I have carefully studied both the rules and these many pages of discussion, and feel there are equally valid points on both sides of this issue. Indeed, this could go either way...though I am now leaning towards "The Parent Trap: 2-Movie Collection" as the title. I say this because, in my collection, I have "American Pie: 3 Movie Pie Pack: The Franchise Collection." It is formatted as follows... Title: American Pie: 3 Movie Pie Pack Edition: The Franchise Collection For me, that makes more sense than... Title: American Pie Edition: 3 Movie Pie Pack: The Franchise Collection | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I have carefully studied both the rules and these many pages of discussion, and feel there are equally valid points on both sides of this issue.
Indeed, this could go either way...though I am now leaning towards "The Parent Trap: 2-Movie Collection" as the title. I say this because, in my collection, I have "American Pie: 3 Movie Pie Pack: The Franchise Collection." It is formatted as follows...
Title: American Pie: 3 Movie Pie Pack
Edition: The Franchise Collection
For me, that makes more sense than...
Title: American Pie
Edition: 3 Movie Pie Pack: The Franchise Collection Agreed on both counts. I think just having 'The Parent Trap' as the title is misleading as it would indicate that it is only the one movie. I'm not even sure if the Edition field should be used at all in boxsets. Isn't the primary function of the Edition field is to distinguish between profiles with the same name so titles with multiple versions can be easily identified? Since boxsets are unique I'm not sure anything should be put in the edition field, maybe everything should be put in the title field. So in your case of the American Pie Boxset the title should be 'American Pie 3 Movie Pie Pack: The Franchise Collection' FWIW I'm more than anything thinking out loud. I have many of those 4 Favorite Film sets as well as quite a few Double Feature DVDs and they are seem to be treated slightly differently. Edition: | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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That seems slightly contradictory to me. We take the Title from the cover. Period. We cannot use the spine or the credit block as others have advocated in the past. Is it possible that because of the size of the spine that the full title simply does not fit? Maybe that's why it is not a reliable (or permissible) source for the title?
Often there is more text on the cover than just the title. In order to determine what part of the text is the title we can of course use the graphical layout and other sources such as the spine or the credit block and common sense. What about the proof of purchase tab that I posted a few pages back? (I hate to keep harping on this, but I'd like to know for future reference, too.)  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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I agree... I seen no problem with any of the posts.
Yes it has been civil, but it's also bordering on endless...
--------------- I'll take 20 pages of intelligent debate over one page of condescending name calling any day of the week. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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That seems slightly contradictory to me. We take the Title from the cover. Period. We cannot use the spine or the credit block as others have advocated in the past. Is it possible that because of the size of the spine that the full title simply does not fit? Maybe that's why it is not a reliable (or permissible) source for the title?
Often there is more text on the cover than just the title. In order to determine what part of the text is the title we can of course use the graphical layout and other sources such as the spine or the credit block and common sense.
What about the proof of purchase tab that I posted a few pages back?
(I hate to keep harping on this, but I'd like to know for future reference, too.) In case you missed it... Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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Okay, I looked on the back of the box (although it may not be the same UPC) to see if anything was in quotes (like how you determine a full title).
There wasn't, but the proof of purchase tab says "The Parent Trap: 2-Movie Collection". Wouldn't that show the title from the distributor's P.O.V.? I would think if they considered "The Parent Trap" the title, that's what they would put.
And, again, there definitely needs to be a clarification for this.
I'm quoting myself as I think this got lost in the mix. Is the proof of purchase tab an equivalent for finding the title a la what's in the quotes in the small print on the back of the box?
Anywhere else on the case would be no differently then looking anywhere other then the front cover. No more or less weight then the spine. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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Often there is more text on the cover than just the title. In order to determine what part of the text is the title we can of course use the graphical layout and other sources such as the spine or the credit block and common sense.
What about the proof of purchase tab that I posted a few pages back?
(I hate to keep harping on this, but I'd like to know for future reference, too.) The rules don't limit where you can take the information from to document what part of the cover text makes the title. You can even use some third party sources if they help (which I doubt). | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Often there is more text on the cover than just the title. In order to determine what part of the text is the title we can of course use the graphical layout and other sources such as the spine or the credit block and common sense.
What about the proof of purchase tab that I posted a few pages back?
(I hate to keep harping on this, but I'd like to know for future reference, too.)
The rules don't limit where you can take the information from to document what part of the cover text makes the title. You can even use some third party sources if they help (which I doubt). This is an interesting point. As long as the words (title) is on the front cover that you are presenting, why should it matter where you got your verification. "I am not sure how much of the text on the front cover is the title. Let me look at the (Spline/credit block/proof of purchase tab) to verify" seems pretty reasonable to me... | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would personally go with "The Parent Trap: 2 Movie Collection" (all title, no edition). That informs someone viewing the db that it's not just the first movie, and comes from the cover.
I see the part about collection stuff going in the edition field as something to distinguish the label, or other such thing that the dvd goes with. Something like The Criterion Collection, Frank Sinatra Collection, or The John Wayne Collection - rather than something like this. Generally what I see as going in the edition field isn't presented so close to the title of the release (as I see the cover that Pete included in the op).
I don't own the release in question so I don't have a horse in the race (haven't seen the movies in question, but my mom listed the first one as a film she hated when we were making a list of those...). | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I seen the remake with Linsay Lohan... but not sure if I ever seen the original. It is before my time.  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
This is an interesting point.
As long as the words (title) is on the front cover that you are presenting, why should it matter where you got your verification.
"I am not sure how much of the text on the front cover is the title. Let me look at the (Spline/credit block/proof of purchase tab) to verify" seems pretty reasonable to me... Seems reasonable to me as well. Maybe that't the problem...we're trying to be reasonable.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Anywhere else on the case would be no differently then looking anywhere other then the front cover. No more or less weight then the spine. I did, in fact, miss that.  I guess what I'm asking is this debate is obviously over what title to use. "The Parent Trap" is on the cover, with "2-Disc Collection" in the middle of it, so it leaves it open to interpretation (obviously ). Now, on the proof of purchase tab, it says "The Parent Trap: 2-Disc Collection" (added colon by the studio). Going with the reasonable part (  ), wouldn't it be safe to say that is the title as given by the distribution company? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe it could go either way. Especially with the 2 - Movie Collection being on another line. Is it part of the title... or a description of the set? Just like any other time that is depends on how you read it.
My main thing is the fact that The Parent Trap and The Parent Trap 2 at the bottom of the case is not part of the title. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I believe it could go either way. Especially with the 2 - Movie Collection being on another line. Is it part of the title... or a description of the set? Just like any other time that is depends on how you read it.
My main thing is the fact that The Parent Trap and The Parent Trap 2 at the bottom of the case is not part of the title. In your opinion. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes... in my opinion. Examining the entire set. I made a decision of what makes the most sense per cover and per rules.
Just like it is only your opinion that the titles at the bottom is part of the title.
Just like it is my opinion that if we are to include the titles at the bottom of the case as part of the title we would have to do the same for stuff like the Dirty Harry Collection. As it is all formatted the same way. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
As it is all formatted the same way. No, not exactly.....actually, not even close. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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