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Parsing: Kate Bowes Renna
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

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Uhm, I don't have a method based on where you live. I don't want a method based on where you live. I want a method where person 1, person 2, person 3, etc.... each has to do EXACTLY the same amount of work REGARDLESS of where he/she lives.

But they don't under your plan, you would simply eliminate some people from Contributin and others would probably stop of their own accord, so what have you accomplished in your push to create fairness, you have created unfairness.
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. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

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Uhm, I don't have a method based on where you live. I don't want a method based on where you live. I want a method where person 1, person 2, person 3, etc.... each has to do EXACTLY the same amount of work REGARDLESS of where he/she lives.

But they don't under your plan, you would simply eliminate some people from Contributin and others would probably stop of their own accord, so what have you accomplished in your push to create fairness, you have created unfairness.


But the same would apply your way too! Right now, there is no dedicated requirement to provide documentation either way. If you push for documentation in anything other than 1/2/3 then you'll get people stop contributing.

Edit: And if people aren't interested in linking they shouldn't be contributing credits data as it's quite possibly not entered correctly anyway.
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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. And your method based on where you happen to live  succeeds i solving very little it seems to me Strange idea.

Skip


Uhm, I don't have a method based on where you live. I don't want a method based on where you live. I want a method where person 1, person 2, person 3, etc.... each has to do EXACTLY the same amount of work REGARDLESS of where he/she lives.

But they don't under your plan, you would simply eliminate some people from Contributin and others would probably stop of their own accord, so what have you accomplished in your push to create fairness, you have created unfairness.


But the same would apply your way too! Right now, there is no dedicated requirement to provide documentation either way. If you push for documentation in anything other than 1/2/3 then you'll get people stop contributing.

Edit: And if people aren't interested in linking they shouldn't be contributing credits data as it's quite possibly not entered correctly anyway.

Oh, I see, I don't enter data correctly,,,yeah right, give me a break. No under my system some users may very well decide not to contribute that is always possible. Under your system you have not only those that choose not to contribute but you eliminate a whole lot of people who, like Martian, who's data i will take above anyone else but myself, or Pete but because Martian and I are nort interested in linking, then we cannot Contribute because we aren't interested in the extra work, in my case for an ungrateful community that has but one desire and that is to fight. I don't want to discourage, I want to ENCOURAGE them and make it as easy as possible for them to contribute niot seek ways to exclude them on some bizarre basis of being fair to one and unfair to another. Using any jkind of fairness argument is pure BS, as it is not possible. Irecognize that but i will not suggest something that is designed to exclude SOME.

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I want linking actors but I don't want to have to do all the work myself. I rarely contribute cast\crew because of the time involved (especially crew as I don't know all the proper jobs to use)

It was said early that some of these are so easy to document and only take a few seconds with some basic searches but now people are complaining about having to do it. I don't understand how having a standard, any standard makes it unfair for any one group. The people that really care about "proper" parsing will do that work anyway, we are just asking it be documented so those that don't know can benifit and enter it correctly from then on.

I'm sure most users don't know where 95% of the actors are from. Also American actors may hold onto their heritage and do the naming along those lines, or they may "Americanize" their names and have middle names (parents came over to the states and have kids and give them middle names). The point it no one way is 100% accurate but having the default be 1//2 3 will force me to lookup any new actor determine his nationality and parse it that way (that is of course he doesn't fit in to an example on why it still doesn't fit like given above).

Sure it works fine for well known actors (so any examples using them are moot) but what about the little known ones (or up and coming actors) we have a 10 page thread on Kate Bowes Renna and despite being told she is British I have not seen any documentation to the fact.

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Edit: And if people aren't interested in linking they shouldn't be contributing credits data as it's quite possibly not entered correctly anyway.

Wow...really?  Sorry Rick, I guess you will have to finish all those Farscape profiles yourself.  Since I don't care about linking, I shouldn't be entering all my incorrect 'as credited' data. 
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I want linking actors but I don't want to have to do all the work myself. I rarely contribute cast\crew because of the time involved (especially crew as I don't know all the proper jobs to use)

It was said early that some of these are so easy to document and only take a few seconds with some basic searches but now people are complaining about having to do it. I don't understand how having a standard, any standard makes it unfair for any one group. The people that really care about "proper" parsing will do that work anyway, we are just asking it be documented so those that don't know can benifit and enter it correctly from then on.

I'm sure most users don't know where 95% of the actors are from. Also American actors may hold onto their heritage and do the naming along those lines, or they may "Americanize" their names and have middle names (parents came over to the states and have kids and give them middle names). The point it no one way is 100% accurate but having the default be 1//2 3 will force me to lookup any new actor determine his nationality and parse it that way (that is of course he doesn't fit in to an example on why it still doesn't fit like given above).

Sure it works fine for well known actors (so any examples using them are moot) but what about the little known ones (or up and coming actors) we have a 10 page thread on Kate Bowes Renna and despite being told she is British I have not seen any documentation to the fact.

-Agrare

She acted in a UK film, eviodently that means she is British. Billy Bob Thornton was in the same movie does that make him British....Billy//Bob Thornton. Laura Linney was also in ther same film...British? Really.      

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Edit: And if people aren't interested in linking they shouldn't be contributing credits data as it's quite possibly not entered correctly anyway.

Wow...really?  Sorry Rick, I guess you will have to finish all those Farscape profiles yourself.  Since I don't care about linking, I shouldn't be entering all my incorrect 'as credited' data. 

Yep, under rick's plan for fairness, Martian we are out of it, we can no longer Contribute. That's not only fair, it is positively brilliant.

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My own feeling is that Kate//Bowes Renna is far more likely just based on what I know about British names.
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Another ten pages on parsing????? 

You've got to be kidding me! 

Did you guys solve it this time?????? 

No.... I didn't think so.
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Another ten pages on parsing????? 

You've got to be kidding me! 

Did you guys solve it this time?????? 


Your kidding right.


But not for lack of trying.

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My own feeling is that Kate//Bowes Renna is far more likely just based on what I know about British names.

Ace:

We have already proven that middle names do exist in the UK. So while you might believe that you have the correct parsing, that knowledge may in fact be dead wrong. I am not sure how i feel about thiois particular name, I always want more documentation, the more the merrier and the more likely we are correct. In this case all we really have is a BFI reference...I might be Ok with that, at least it's a source I have a level of confidence in, not as high a level as i would like but...maybe.

Now back to forget, let me explain to you why I don't parrticipate in linking , there is a reason for it beyond that I don't really need it or use it. As long as we have users who are refusing to include documentation, like CLT results, NameA=NameB documentation and global changes, I am not interested and as long as voters are willing to allow this kind of garbage i am not interested. I WILL include CLT results, and Name documentation beyond just a variant comparison and I will not make global changes, nor will i vote for anyone who refuses to do so. I am not going to spend my time researching, while some other user just won't while you and others support such bad behavior, that's my idea of fairness, and i am interested in our database being built accurately, as acurate as we can make it, that means i don't guess and i don't make assumptions; I know whereof i speak and i will document every step of the way.

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Yes, middle name do exist, but Bowes sounds liek it is more likely a family name than a given name.
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I don't care what it sounds like, Ace.Lee sounds like a last name but it can be a first name as well, or a middle. I don't guess...I KNOW or I don't. There is no law in England regarding names, there are only customs and there are without a doubt people in the UK who just don't want to follow custom. My mother though American was an excellent example of not following "custom" and her family hailed from Wales. I have no idea what would have been customary when she married my father, but I am fairly sure that a double barrelled middle name woukld not have been called customary, but that is what she chose to do. Every person is an individual and I treat them as such, I refuse to try and put somebody in a box based on supposition or assumption or what I believe the custom might indicate to me.

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I'm not saying we know, just that there are two possibilities and they are not equally likely.
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I'm a little confused (and perhaps some will say I always am...  )

I thought that it was generally accepted long ago that if you want to change a previously accepted profile you needed to document your changes.

If I understand things correctly, this whole discussion started when someone wanted to change K//BR to K/B/R without any documentation.

While the discussion on what starting point we want may be interesting (but not 10+ pages interesting), are we now abandoning the old "document your changes" requirement?
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Yes, middle name do exist, but Bowes sounds liek it is more likely a family name than a given name.

As does Ogden, but that doesn't make it his last name.
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