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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi,
Rambo 1,2 and 3 are released in the UK in a combo pack, meaning a UHD disc and a Blu-ray disc.
The profiles are set up as a combo.
I want to add the two discs in the discs tab and tick all the extra features present (either on the UHD disc and/or the Blu-ray disc).
There was one vote saying NO because the features are not on the UHD disc.
My contributions got declined.
Am I missing something? Does it matter where the extra features are located?
All my other UHD/BD combos have extra features ticked, even if there are none on the UHD disc. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JeroenX: Quote:
All my other UHD/BD combos have extra features ticked, even if there are none on the UHD disc. That's how it should be, as the child profile is optional. As such, your contribution should not have been declined. Unfortunately, the screeners often seem to be blissfully unaware of the contribution rules, but instead seem to click "approve" when they see "yes"-votes and "decline" when they see "no"-votes... |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anyone wants to add something? I want to recontribute the profiles and link to this page. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | You were correct, the two disc IDs and all of the extra features should be in the main profile. Child profiles are not required, but optional. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 554 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sounds good to me. I believe there was a user a few months or a year ago who removed all the extras from the 4K main profiles of a bunch of releases. No one seemed to care, so I just locked my profiles. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Alternately, I've got a No vote that the "Bonus Features Blu-ray" disc cannot be added as the 2nd disc in the Blu-ray Child Profile from a 4K set. As if the "Bonus Features Blu-ray" is somehow only exclusive to the 4K parent in the Combo.
It is a 4-Disc Combo set of a single movie (4K UHD + Blu-ray + Bonus Features Blu-ray + Soundtrack CD) – the "Bonus Features Blu-ray" is packaged as the 3rd disc in the set.
It just shows "EXTRAS" pertaining to the entire set on the packaging and nothing about the "Bonus Features Blu-ray" applying exclusively towards the 4K disc part of the Combo set.
The Box Set rules state "If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs." — so that would exclude any separate Grandchild attachment/submission to the Blu-ray Child as an alternate means of adding the info. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 |  Posts: 138 |
| | Posted: | | | | I once got a No vote adding the child profiles through disc ID's for the US BD set of Sissi trilogy.
What use of creating child profiles and not using them for the main profile? |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Katatonia:
Not being a box set could be the reason why the 4K + Blu-ray Bonus disc are treated as a normal 2-disc profile with optional child profile for the Blu-ray feature disc.
Just my thoughts. | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Katatonia:
Not being a box set could be the reason why the 4K + Blu-ray Bonus disc are treated as a normal 2-disc profile with optional child profile for the Blu-ray feature disc.
Just my thoughts. It was approved with no issue, despite the no vote. It's not any different than a Blu-ray + DVD combo profile where an extra DVD of bonus features is included in the set, and there are plenty of those already in the database. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 65 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
It was approved with no issue, despite the no vote. It's not any different than a Blu-ray + DVD combo profile where an extra DVD of bonus features is included in the set, and there are plenty of those already in the database. I removed a few bonus BDs (mostly just disc IDs that were not removed when copying data from the regular BD release) from the childs for US combo sets from the DB. They did not have any NO-votes and were approved a lot faster. ObiKen is right. We are usually treating these combos like a regular profile with an optional child profile for the inferior feature disc. In this case inferior is the BD, before it were the DVDs. Also I really can't remember any BD/DVD combo set which included a Bonus-DVD. The included DVDs usually were and are just barebone movie discs. The only cases of Bonus-DVDs I saw were the Target-exclusives bonus discs which are included from DVD to UHD-releases. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | It was approved with no issue, despite the no vote. It's not any different than a Blu-ray + DVD combo profile where an extra DVD of bonus features is included in the set, and there are plenty of those already in the database.
I removed a few bonus BDs (mostly just disc IDs that were not removed when copying data from the regular BD release) from the childs for US combo sets from the DB. They did not have any NO-votes and were approved a lot faster.
ObiKen is right. We are usually treating these combos like a regular profile with an optional child profile for the inferior feature disc. In this case inferior is the BD, before it were the DVDs. Also I really can't remember any BD/DVD combo set which included a Bonus-DVD. The included DVDs usually were and are just barebone movie discs. The only cases of Bonus-DVDs I saw were the Target-exclusives bonus discs which are included from DVD to UHD-releases.
You must just not own many Combo releases, because I own plenty of 4K + Blu-ray + Blu-ray Bonus Discs and also Blu-ray + DVD + DVD Bonus Discs and can cite numerous instances of these in the database. And these are not "Target exclusives" as you say.
A Combo release adds the Blu-ray Child Profile for the Blu-ray specifically as part of the Combo, and if the set includes a BLU-RAY with Bonus Features, it belongs in both the 4K and Blu-ray Child Profile. You are listing absolutely nothing in the rules to support your view.
Just a few examples of "4K + Blu-ray + Blu-ray Bonus Features" Combos in the database (that are not store exclusives) are:
2001: A Space Odyssey
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dunkirk
The Martian: Extended
Schindler's List
Solo
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I can of course mention far more Combos that are "Blu-ray + DVD + Bonus Features DVD" (that are not store exclusives)
The logic that a "Blu-ray" of Bonus Features-only should be excluded from the "Blu-ray" Child Profile in any Combo just makes no sense, and I see nothing in the rules that support that. | | | | Corey | | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 65 |
| | Posted: | | | | My contributions removing these bonus BDs from the child profiles were approved without any NO votes but at least a few yes votes from people who do not just click YES in every contribution.
Most of your examples I do not own, but I owned
2001: A Space Odyssey (UK)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (BestBuy steelbook)
which do NOT have the bonus BD in the child profile.
The Martian might be correct because the BDs have printed "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" on the label.
There are not that many UHD combos which have more than two discs anyway. I own about 170 UHD combos and maybe 10-15 have a bonus BD. 1 of them has it more or less correctly (The Martian) , 1 does not (Prince of Darkness CE UK), all the others do not have the bonus BD in the child profile. And no one attempted to change this. I even get only YES-votes when removing the bonus BD from the child. I wonder why... Maybe because you are the only one to see it like you do?
I also own a lot BD/DVD combos (which are crap by the way!) from the US or the UK. Not one (!) has a bonus DVD included. Most of the included DVDs don't even have bonus material at all.
It makes perfectly sense not to include the Bonus BD into the child, because it is the bonus BD for the combo not for the included feature BD which could be considered bonus as well. Furthermore it is not a box set.
The rules do support this: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.
But this means you add the DVD (or with the 4K combo the BD) for the main feature only. If it has bonus content on it you add this as well to the child profile but not additional discs.
I understand we use those child profile mainly to see different running times and audio and subtitles options or to mark those as watched, if we do not watch the main disc.
Btw. Do you even know that an Ultra HD Blu-ray is a Blu-ray Disc as well? I know of at least one which is a BD50 instead of a BD66. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DaMikstar: Quote:
My contributions removing these bonus BDs from the child profiles were approved without any NO votes but at least a few yes votes from people who do not just click YES in every contribution.
Most of your examples I do not own, but I owned
2001: A Space Odyssey (UK)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (BestBuy steelbook)
which do NOT have the bonus BD in the child profile.
The Martian might be correct because the BDs have printed "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" on the label.
There are not that many UHD combos which have more than two discs anyway. I own about 170 UHD combos and maybe 10-15 have a bonus BD. 1 of them has it more or less correctly (The Martian) , 1 does not (Prince of Darkness CE UK), all the others do not have the bonus BD in the child profile. And no one attempted to change this. I even get only YES-votes when removing the bonus BD from the child. I wonder why... Maybe because you are the only one to see it like you do?
I also own a lot BD/DVD combos (which are crap by the way!) from the US or the UK. Not one (!) has a bonus DVD included. Most of the included DVDs don't even have bonus material at all.
It makes perfectly sense not to include the Bonus BD into the child, because it is the bonus BD for the combo not for the included feature BD which could be considered bonus as well. Furthermore it is not a box set.
The rules do support this: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.
But this means you add the DVD (or with the 4K combo the BD) for the main feature only. If it has bonus content on it you add this as well to the child profile but not additional discs.
I understand we use those child profile mainly to see different running times and audio and subtitles options or to mark those as watched, if we do not watch the main disc.
Btw. Do you even know that an Ultra HD Blu-ray is a Blu-ray Disc as well? I know of at least one which is a BD50 instead of a BD66. I still see nothing to support your view and the numerous examples already in the database refute it. Many users buy 4K + Blu-ray Combos for the Blu-rays now, and the 4K for later when they eventually get the equipment. If the "Blu-ray" Bonus Features are not in the "Blu-ray Child Profile then all it does is removes useful information for those users. That is specifically what Child Profiles are for in these Combos. Sorry, but those US 4K Combo releases cited by you do include a separate "Blu-ray Bonus Features" disc. You can check them in the database: 2001: A Space Odyssey (883929-671526) Close Encounters of the Third (043396-496941) The Martian (024543-278252) "Disc 2" and "Disc 3" of The Martian are even specifically listed only under the "BLU-RAY" section on the back cover. ...and like I said there are numerous more Blu-ray + DVD + "Bonus Features DVD" Combos already in the database as such. Your comment that these are rare or always "store exclusives" just doesn't hold any water. I just see your interpretation of the rules, I view them completely different here and they do not support your view. A "4K UHD" technically being a "Blu-ray Disc" is completely irrelevant here since it is treated as a completely different format within the program and rules. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Posts: 138 |
| | Posted: | | | | Main profiles should be empty in my opinion, as they cannot reflect the entire content of the released combo.
It can not hold all the data such as audiotracks, videoformats, subtitles, so why do we allow the extra's to be added anyway, when subprofiles are available and hold such data of the individual discs? |
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,441 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jurgen42u: Quote:
Main profiles should be empty in my opinion, as they cannot reflect the entire content of the released combo.
It can not hold all the data such as audiotracks, videoformats, subtitles, so why do we allow the extra's to be added anyway, when subprofiles are available and hold such data of the individual discs? Because children profiles are optional for the combo. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years | | | | Last edited: by Kluge |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 65 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jurgen42u: Quote:
It can not hold all the data such as audiotracks, videoformats, subtitles, so why do we allow the extra's to be added anyway, when subprofiles are available and hold such data of the individual discs? That is, why we add a child profile for the included feature BD. But those child profiles are optional. |
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