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| Registered: May 26, 2007 |  Posts: 186 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've got the following problem:
I have contributed SRPs for the profiles UPC 4010884250466, 4010884250480 and 4010884250534 which are Star Trek 2, 6, and 8 on Blu-Ray. I bought them individually from the store and submitted sources from cinemasquid.
On all three I got two No-Votes with the reason, that they are part of a box set.
Was I wrong to contribute the SRPs? Because even if they are in a box set they can still be bought individually and for that matter have an SRP. Or does the box set overrule that? | | | | "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DorianGray: Quote:
I've got the following problem:
I have contributed SRPs for the profiles UPC 4010884250466, 4010884250480 and 4010884250534 which are Star Trek 2, 6, and 8 on Blu-Ray. I bought them individually from the store and submitted sources from cinemasquid.
On all three I got two No-Votes with the reason, that they are part of a box set.
Was I wrong to contribute the SRPs? Because even if they are in a box set they can still be bought individually and for that matter have an SRP. Or does the box set overrule that? I would think that being standalone releases would trump being in a boxset. For those who own the boxsets can easily change the SRP to zero, where as the standalone owners could use the information. Were they released intially as part of the boxset and unavailable as standalone? That is about the only reason I can think of why you'd keep the SRP zero, but even then it makes more sense to me to have the correct SRPs. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I checked the rules and the only thing they address is that it needs to be the SRP at the time of the original release.
Box Set rules do not address this issue at all.
If the individual DVDs came out before the box set, then the SRP should be listed with them. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I checked the rules and the only thing they address is that it needs to be the SRP at the time of the original release.
Box Set rules do not address this issue at all.
If the individual DVDs came out before the box set, then the SRP should be listed with them. According to Amazon.de & Blu-ray.com the individual movies were released May 2, 2013 while they boxset was released later on September 5, 2013. If this is the case then they should definitely get the SRP. I'd add this information to the notes, so even if they don't change their votes the screeners can still accept the contribution. You can also pm the people with their no votes, see if there is any information you aren't aware about. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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I checked the rules and the only thing they address is that it needs to be the SRP at the time of the original release.
Box Set rules do not address this issue at all.
If the individual DVDs came out before the box set, then the SRP should be listed with them.
According to Amazon.de & Blu-ray.com the individual movies were released May 2, 2013 while they boxset was released later on September 5, 2013. If this is the case then they should definitely get the SRP. I'd add this information to the notes, so even if they don't change their votes the screeners can still accept the contribution. You can also pm the people with their no votes, see if there is any information you aren't aware about. Absolutely, the first release is what the profile should be based on If they do not respond to the PM just put the information on why the NO votes are invalid in the notes. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 13 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi!
The discs are part of this box set which was released in 2009:
http://www.amazon.de/Star-Trek-Frontier-Collection-Blu-rays/dp/B002Q8HJT4/ref=sr_1_22?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1381387667&sr=1-22&keywords=star+trek
The individual discs were released 2013.
So in my opinion the box set overrules the individual SRPs.
(I was one of the no-voters)
Best regards
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wickie: Quote:
Hi!
The discs are part of this box set which was released in 2009:
http://www.amazon.de/Star-Trek-Frontier-Collection-Blu-rays/dp/B002Q8HJT4/ref=sr_1_22?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1381387667&sr=1-22&keywords=star+trek
The individual discs were released 2013.
So in my opinion the box set overrules the individual SRPs.
(I was one of the no-voters)
Best regards
Wickie Thanks for replying. I thought this might be the case. While the boxset would take precedent, doesn't it make sense to have the accurate SRP for the individual titles in the online database? If you have the box set you can simply remove it, this way it's reflected if need be. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 13 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Thanks for replying. I thought this might be the case. While the boxset would take precedent, doesn't it make sense to have the accurate SRP for the individual titles in the online database? If you have the box set you can simply remove it, this way it's reflected if need be. I will check the database and my discs at home this afternoon and will think about your proposal, because I am not sure at the moment if the discs in the box set have individual UPCs. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wickie: Quote:
I will check the database and my discs at home this afternoon and will think about your proposal, because I am not sure at the moment if the discs in the box set have individual UPCs. If they don't have individual UPCs then there shouldn't be a conflict, because then they should be added by DiscId but the OP contributed SRPs to UPC profiles (see first post). | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 13 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Wickie:
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I will check the database and my discs at home this afternoon and will think about your proposal, because I am not sure at the moment if the discs in the box set have individual UPCs.
If they don't have individual UPCs then there shouldn't be a conflict, because then they should be added by DiscId but the OP contributed SRPs to UPC profiles (see first post). I know. That is why I want to check the discs from the box.  But when I remember it correctly, the individual discs were added to the database shortly after the release of the box set. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 13 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have now checked my box set and the movie discs are all in a separate case with UPC.
But I find it difficult to decide whether there should be an SRP, because the discs were released in the box set first and then released individually.
If it was the other way round it would be easier for me to decide. |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Posts: 186 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wickie: Quote:
But I find it difficult to decide whether there should be an SRP, because the discs were released in the box set first and then released individually. That's my problem in this case exactly. (I didn't know they were part of a box set when I contributed the SRP). Because the have an individual UPC and barcode, I would think they deserve an SRP because it looks like they were intended for an individual release. But it's true, the box set came first and might overrule that. | | | | "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 554 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe a similar case in the US was with the Fast & Furious movies on Blu-ray, originally released in a box set with individual cases & UPCs, then released individually a few months later. At one point I was going to update the release date/SRP and thought that the info in the profile was incorrectly copied from the box set. Then I realized they WERE the contents from the box set. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| Registered: November 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 523 |
| | Posted: | | | | Facts are:
these 10 Movies of Star Trek have been released first on BD in Germany within a Box Set [EAN: 4010884250602] on 12.11.2009, therefore without SRP allthough each BD has an individual EAN/UPC.
This year the distributor released each movie first time as single editions on 02.05.2013.
This is also written in the same sources that the contributor gave in contribution notes.
So the SRP is valid for the re-releases, but not for the first release. |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Posts: 186 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LKanne: Quote:
Facts are:
these 10 Movies of Star Trek have been released first on BD in Germany within a Box Set [EAN: 4010884250602] on 12.11.2009, therefore without SRP allthough each BD has an individual EAN/UPC.
This year the distributor released each movie first time as single editions on 02.05.2013.
This is also written in the same sources that the contributor gave in contribution notes.
So the SRP is valid for the re-releases, but not for the first release. I think that depends on your definition of "released". In my opinion a Blu-ray or DVD with an UPC code is not released if you can't buy it individually but only as part of a box set. Because why would you need the UPC for a box set? | | | | "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DorianGray: Quote:
I think that depends on your definition of "released". Nope, not on his definition but on the definition of the Contribution Rules. Quote:
Because why would you need the UPC for a box set? To enter the, then, box-set-child according to the Contribution Rules. As far as I understand the rules LKanne is 100% right. Is this unfavorable for the buyers of the single releases? Yes. Would an exemption for this very particular instance make the contribution process as a whole easier? No. So no SRP for the single release buyers until DVD Profiler is capable of handling such cases or the rules get an mayor rewrite. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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