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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm currently auditing the film "O". We first get a regular cast list, we then get a ton of crew and then we get a separate section called basketball players with a list of everyone who was this role in the movie. Should they still be listed even though they are in a secondary list and play a women's sport? | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | For me: Yes | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Should they still be listed even though they are in a secondary list and play a women's sport? Sure. How exactly is basketball a "women's" sport? | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Should they still be listed even though they are in a secondary list and play a women's sport?
Sure.
How exactly is basketball a "women's" sport? According to Sam, for something to be a sport men have to flop onto the ground, cry like little girls after barely being touched. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | And the answer is of course Yes. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | They are a valid credit. |
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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,282 |
| Posted: | | | | I would say valid too. We often include 'dancers' who are credited in the same fashion.
If it's seen in the movie, include the credit. | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting The Movieman:
Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Should they still be listed even though they are in a secondary list and play a women's sport?
Sure.
How exactly is basketball a "women's" sport?
According to Sam, for something to be a sport men have to flop onto the ground, cry like little girls after barely being touched. Thanks all. As a side note, the sport of men is rugby. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
Quote: Quoting The Movieman:
Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Should they still be listed even though they are in a secondary list and play a women's sport?
Sure.
How exactly is basketball a "women's" sport?
According to Sam, for something to be a sport men have to flop onto the ground, cry like little girls after barely being touched.
Thanks all.
As a side note, the sport of men is rugby. No thanks | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Here I have to disagree with everyone. The filmmakers create something called cast, this list has a beginning and end. How people think that they can decipher data not included in that cast list Ss suddenly being cast after the data is thrown somewhere else is more than I can understand. Gaffers then should be cast, in fact you could call almost everyone cast how do you know. What special knowledge do you have, I have been dealing with credits for the better part of 30 years and there is no logic here, rationalization...yes plenty of that, logic zero. Sorry | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | So we can add uncredited data.... with verification. But they are on the screen, and listed by name, and acting in a film but they shouldn't be listed in the cast?
Oh and Sam, please don't post these types of questions in this forum. The rule is very clear on this already. Thanks! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Here is the relevant part of the credit rules:
"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers."
These Cast are listed at the end of the film. There is nothing in the rules that specify they must be grouped together.
In fact, the rules tells us that the filmmakers can decide where, and in what order, to place these credits. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Double You are missing the point, read what I said very carefully. A cast list on screen has abeginning and an end. If after those credits run, they then begin tthe Cree credits.how do you know that these are cast, they are in the crew data, how do you discriminate that they are what they are not. If they were cast would they not appear in the area of cast. By what I see being said, essentially all crew are cast because they are listed after the cast list. I don't see any logic, please someone explain it because I see simply a desire to do something that has no basis. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: The filmmakers create something called cast, this list has a beginning and end. I am sorry, but this simply is not true. Filmakers create something called credits. Sometimes, these credits will have a section with a header of 'Cast', sometimes not. I don't know whether or not this is one of those times, but it really doesn't matter...I will attempt to explain, though I am not sure how much good it will do. Lets start with the basics: CAST noun: the set of actors in a production ACTOR noun: one who represents a character in a production Based on those definitions, anyone who played a character in the film is considered cast. Per our rules, if a film has standard credits...those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film...we copy them only from that list. If however, all credited actors involved are not included in that list, then we can take them from the parts of the credits they are listed. So this comes down to two simple questions...are these people actors and are they credited. I don't have this movie so can't answer those questions but, based on the information provided, it would seem the answers would be yes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Now come on, Kathy, you are stretching for that one. Like I said if what you say is correct anyone listed after cast is cast, accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Here is the relevant part of the credit rules:
"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers."
These Cast are listed at the end of the film. There is nothing in the rules that specify they must be grouped together.
In fact, the rules tells us that the filmmakers can decide where, and in what order, to place these credits. Agreed! Edit: You too Martian! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
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