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| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello all.
Quick question.
For a TV series, where the opening credits give a different episode title to that given on the sleeve, which do we use in terms of labelling Episode Dividers?
Red Dwarf VIII (5014503169329)
This includes:
Back In The Red – Part 1 (sleeve)
BACK IN THE RED Part One (opening credits)
Also, if the latter is correct, does it get used exactly as given above, or changed to Back in the Red Part One?
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would use on-screen title. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are two different issues involved here. One is the overvirew and the other relates to cast crew data. The overview comedy from the sleeve or cover and the fast crew comes from the credited data. So you have two different answers. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
I would use on-screen title. Me too. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian:
A re you ignoring the rules. They tell us how to do this in both instances. This is not the first time I have seen this and stranger in tv. But the tiled provide the answer. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | looks like Skip is right on this one .,. and to prove this is take the case I submitted a couple weeks back:
The Phantom of the Opera at the Royal Albert Hall
5-050582-860122 Mar 4, 2012 Mar 10, 2012 Yes: 2 No: 1 Declined
There are four of these titles in the data base ( usa/ Canada/ England / Norway .. all but one read the overview as 'Hal Prince and Gillian Lynn' BUT this jacket reads as 'ince and Gillian Lynn .. I vote to change the overview as per the other three jackets as this jacket got misprinted ..
and guess what ? it got declined.. Why ? because the rules say what ever the case says ( not on screen) .. the DVD case takes precedence... even if THIS one out of four is printed '' incorrect ''............ | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are Sam and I the only two who actually read the OP's question?  The OP asks, quite clearly, "which do we use in terms of labelling Episode Dividers?" There is no mention of the overview which, per the rules, must match the back of the case. Since the cast and crew must come from the episode credits, it only makes sense that the title used in the episode divider come from the credits as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Are Sam and I the only two who actually read the OP's question? It would appear so.  |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Always use the episode title, as given on screen, for the episode divider.
Red Dwarf always has on-screen credits so there's no problem there. It's more of a grey area when it comes to the capitalization though - I would enter it as "Back in the Red Part One".
I'm very grateful for on-screen episode titles myself because it makes any arguments over the titles of episodes easy to resolve. (Extra helpful if they've thought to use upper and lower case too. One of the many reasons I love "Dexter") :D | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Are Sam and I the only two who actually read the OP's question?
The OP asks, quite clearly, "which do we use in terms of labelling Episode Dividers?" There is no mention of the overview which, per the rules, must match the back of the case. Since the cast and crew must come from the episode credits, it only makes sense that the title used in the episode divider come from the credits as well. Then read the op again. He clearly indicated the sleeve (cover) says something different from yhe credited title. In this case the difference is a subtle distinction, but again the rules provide the answer, this is not user defined. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | that's what I read:
For a TV series, where the opening credits give a different episode title to that given on the sleeve, which do we use in terms of labelling Episode Dividers?
Red Dwarf VIII (5014503169329)
therefore is sleeve on the jacket...?????????? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't understand why you're trying to start an argument here, Mr. Winston Smith.
The on-screen episode titles are the ones to use on the episode dividers (as per the rules).
The episode titles as given on the sleeve/insert/jacket (whatever we're calling it now) is only to be used as part of the Overview, as this has to match exactly the overview on the back of the box.
The original post was asking which to use on the episode dividers.
We've answered that. Please move on. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not trying to start anything hulk. But the answer is in the ruled, that simple. Not subject to some user who thinks the rules don't apply and he can provide a single answer, when there are two separate answers for. Two separate issues. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW hulk, you are saying exactly what I have said. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Not trying to start anything hulk. But the answer is in the ruled, that simple. Not subject to some user who thinks the rules don't apply and he can provide a single answer, when there are two separate answers for. Two separate issues. There is only one issue...where to get the title for use in episode dividers...and there is a single answer...from the credits. Yes, the OP mentioned the sleeve, but he didn't ask which we should use for the overview. Since he didn't, and you agree that the episode divider should use the title in the credits, I have no idea what you are going on about. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
BTW hulk, you are saying exactly what I have said. True, but your comments had nothing to do with the question asked. The OP asked about episode titles, in terms of labelling Episode Dividers. Sam gave the correct answer, I agreed, then you and Terry went off on a tangent about overviews. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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