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I just did an update to Dr. Strangelove (UPC: 043396026162)... updating a few fields. Among them is to the overview... using the slip cover to go by. I got several yes votes... but one no vote saying it don't match the overview... that I removed one word that I should (and).

I double checked... and my submission matches the slip cover exactly. But then I looked at the keep case... and the Keep Case overview matches what the no voter said.

Next I looked at the scans. The scans match the keep case (Only difference I see is the one word in the overview)... this seems to be because the slip cover is reflective.

Now the question is... which overview should the overview field match? In my eyes, I believe it should still be the slip cover overview since that is the first thing you see when you take the release off the shelf. I can see the no voter's point... he may not even have the slip cover to go by for all I know. But in a situation like this... what is the correct way to do it per the rules?
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Hey Pete!

Is the Slip Cover Version the first release?

If it is, the rules say:
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If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.


So per the rules if the Keep Case art and the slipcase are identical we could use the keep case image.
Identical means all informations are the same, including the overview.

If not, we have to take the slipcase!
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Overviews
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.


But in the overview section of the rules it doesn't mention anything about the slipcase. Just the back of the DVD case. Another Grey area.

If the cover art is from the slip cover, then I would think slip cover, but that is going against the exact wording of the rule.
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I have no idea if the slip cover is the original release or not as this movie was just given to me. I also have no idea if the no voter has the slip cover or not.

I would think if there was a re-release for this release that the slip cover would be the original release as the slip cover houses the DVD Keep Case and a nice booklet. Usually when they re-release something, the release is downgraded a bit. So I could see this one being released again minus the slip cover and booklet. But as I said... no idea if this is the case.

I agree that the scans probably should be of the slip case since it isn't an exact match... but as I said... the case is reflective... and I am not that confident in my scanning abilities yet.
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Quoting ateo357:
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Overviews
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.


But in the overview section of the rules it doesn't mention anything about the slipcase. Just the back of the DVD case. Another Grey area.

If the cover art is from the slip cover, then I would think slip cover, but that is going against the exact wording of the rule.


I personally see the slip case as part of the DVD Case. So I don't see taking the overview from the "inner" case. Seems to me it should be from the most "outer" case. As that is what we see when we first pick up the DVD.
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Personally, I would scan the slip and change the overview (providing the slip was the original release) and submit. If not I would still do that, keep it local and lock it.
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Quoting ateo357:
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Overviews
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.


But in the overview section of the rules it doesn't mention anything about the slipcase. Just the back of the DVD case. Another Grey area.

If the cover art is from the slip cover, then I would think slip cover, but that is going against the exact wording of the rule.


I personally see the slip case as part of the DVD Case. So I don't see taking the overview from the "inner" case. Seems to me it should be from the most "outer" case. As that is what we see when we first pick up the DVD.

That's how I see it also. But you know how some people are about using common sense over exact wording.
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Really? I thought I was using common sense! 
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Personally, I would scan the slip and change the overview (providing the slip was the original release) and submit. If not I would still do that, keep it local and lock it.


No real idea if there even was a re-release of this title. I just said maybe that is the case. And maybe the no voter don't have the slip cover for some reason.

AS I said... I really not comfortable trying to scan the case myself. Not that good at scanning yet. I have tried reflective covers before... came out terrible!   
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Pete:

This is easy we scan the slip, right. That's the rule. So the overview comes from the slip if it had one. Do the correction was in error
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Sometimes there is a date listed on the credit block - I would compare them.

I recently submitted a scan that was different from the one in the database. Although they both were released the same year, part of the credit block noted a different year for artwork and design. One was dated a year earlier.
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Pete:

This is easy we scan the slip, right. That's the rule. So the overview comes from the slip if it had one. Do the correction was in error

Pete made the change based on the slip, and got a no vote based on the inner cover so I am confused by your comment. 
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both the slip case and the inner keep case have the same year. If it was re-released without the slip I doubt they would change the date on the keep case in such a situation. But who knows.
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Of course if you can prove the slip case is from and earlier date, it will need to be entered into the database and the Overview corrected.

The problem is how to figure that out. I've seen DVDs released with just a keep case and then re-released with a slip cover.

Since the scan that is in the database is of the keep case, then the Overview must match that for now.
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The thing is... we have no idea what so ever if there even has been a re-release of this title at all. What it boils down to is...

If a release has an overview on both the outer case and one (almost identical) on the inner case. Which overview does the profile get per the rules?

The way I see it... it should use the outer case.

If it helps... the profile also always had the slip case checked between that and the fact that the slip case is reflective gives me no reason to believe there was a re-release.
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Really? I thought I was using common sense! 



Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. You are using common sense. But some people could look at it as it's a slip COVER and the rules state back of CASE.

If the pre-edit profile has slip cover checked and it came with a reflective slip cover, that is probably why it is a scan of the DVD case cover art. Relectives can be a pain to get a good scan. But it should have been in the contribution history notes. Not saying they didn't skimp on the notes.
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