i had a question about the WWE wrestler "Triple H". even though "Triple H" is the most common used name not his real name "Paul Levesque" alot of his credits are incorrect ones from wrestling dvd's being that there never is a cast listing on the dvd's and whoever contributes just lists him that way. its like "Doink the clown" being someone's name. even though the man's real name is Matt Osbourne and he continued wrestling as Matt Borne after the clown gimmick was done. so in this case for a DVD featuring wrestler Matt Borne he would have to be listed as "Doink the Clown" playing the role of "Matt Borne"?? Triple H is now getting into movies at the end of his wrestling career so he is trying to progress ala The Rock and get people more familar with his real name which is why for his newest movie "The Chaperone" he is Paul "Triple H" Levesque in the credits. Now for "The Rock" he was ALWAYS "The Rock" in the wrestling dvd's yet somehow we list him as Dwayne Johnson..i think its because he has done alot more movies and the WWE dvd's never had cast info anyway. i withdrew my contribution even though i still believe listing him as "Paul Levesque - credited as Triple H" is the correct way to list him. i will keep it local but i would think we would want to be able to have a way to see all the dvd's featuring Triple H - Paul Levesque . so for future movies of his we will have to list him as "Triple H credited as HIS REAL NAME Paul Levesque...i dont get it. well i rambled on..thank you for your time  (i guess the "See no Evil" contribution is "incorrect". will be horrible to have "actor" Kane playing the role of "Fake Diesel" or "Issac Yankem DDS") which way do people think tis should be contributed (sorry for the PM Pete!)

While it has been a long time since I watched wrestling... I know they at least used to use credits within the actual show... like a lot of documentaries. non-standard credits.. yes. But credits all the same. And we are told in the rules to use whatever credits available if there is no standard credits.

As for what to use. You have two choices. Use the CLT or give Documented proof the CLT is showing the wrong most commonly credited form... per Ken's statement. (see all the common name threads in the contribution forum). If the CLT can't be documented as being wrong (whether the proof supports the CLT or there is not enough info to prove it wrong) then we go with the CLT.

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Because you are looking at it the wrong way. You are looking at it like the name field must be the person's actual name.

Well, I think that is the only correct way to do this (actual name or stage name used by the person to speak of him(her)self. If rules were on this option, most of problems we have with common name would disappear. Unfortunately, rules chose an option that is the reason of the mess in the online database.

how about "The Undertaker"?? this one is a real winner: using credit lookup tool --
The Undertaker -  65 titles, 78 profiles
Mark Calaway - 63 titles, 75 profiles
Mark Callaway (incorrect spelling) - 53 titles, 61 profiles
Undertaker (no "The") -  16 titles, 18 profiles
i just wanted a way to search through my dvd's i own by "actor". it sucks i would have 4 dvd's with "The Undertaker, 3 with "Mark Calaway", 1 with "Undertaker"...etc.
also "Mark Calaway" appears in the movie "Suburban Commando" so using the rules and credit lookup tool should it be "The Undertaker" (credited as "Mark Calaway") plays the role of Hutch?? just confusing to me...why are wrestling dvd's so difficult to find some common ground!
I'll just keep my cast locked..it just seems horrible that if you are a big wrestling dvd fan you have to deal with cast issues like this when trying to determine which wrestler you have the most dvd's of!

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here is the most famous one:
Using credit lookup tool - Dwayne Johnson 123 titles, 340 profiles...The Rock 88 titles, 387 profiles.
again i "love" the rules and respect them being in place for a reason just seems confusing when you are trying to link up the guy with ALL the dvd's you own with him in it. I mean for this example "Dwayne" is credited in more titles yet "The Rock" is in more profiles?   i guess i will just lock up my casts locally just seems like a minor flaw in the system.

oh also Dwayne The Rock Johnson - 4 titles, 5 profiles

I think it's safe to say he's gonna be Dwayne Johnson from here out. Every newer title with him is Dwayne, so unless he returns to wrestling that should stay common.

If Triple H folloows this route, then his common name will eventually change to Paul Levesque also.

Terra Ryzing?
Is that his porn name?

The reason it wasn't acceptable is because it is against the rules (and Ken's clarification) to do it that way now.

But as I said before... with hopefully the next program update none of this will matter any more as Ken has publicly stated that he is working on a new system for the names. Which he had said he hopes will get rid of the need for the CLT and linking system as it is now. But until then we need to do it as he said to.

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Because you are looking at it the wrong way. You are looking at it like the name field must be the person's actual name.

Well, I think that is the only correct way to do this (actual name or stage name used by the person to speak of him(her)self. If rules were on this option, most of problems we have with common name would disappear. Unfortunately, rules chose an option that is the reason of the mess in the online database.

That's the problem. How defining? Most people do know him as Triple H, just some people know his real name. After some movies as Paul Levesque perhaps many more people will know him with this name. And all the people just watching porn will know him as Terra Ryzing. So which one should it be?

Maybe the best would be to use the name most people will know him. How could this be defined at a program which is to catalog your DVDs? Maybe to take the variant that got the most credits? Sounds familiar!

I wished we would have a way everybody could track a person with the name he knows the person, but at the moment we don't have such a solution.

I'm wondering there never was a common name finding thread for The Rock, but if the CLT numbers are correct and you didn't miss a variant with more entries it would be Dwayne Johnson. (According to Ken the number of titles is the more important number.)