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I am curious what people think about this situation...re: disc IDs and a re-release.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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There is a contribution up that adds new disc IDs to an existing release.  Now I know this is allowed per the rules, so that isn't the question.  Here is the situation...

Original Release was a flipper so it has Side A - Main Feature, with disc ID, and Side B - Bonus Materials, with disc ID.  This is how the current profile is set up.

The new contributions is from a 2-disc set so it has Side A - Main Feature, with disc ID for disc 1, and Side A - Main Feature, with disc ID for disc 2.

Since the rules say that the profile must match the original release, and it seems that the original release was a flipper, can it be changed this way?  I'm just curious as to what other people think.
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Had a similar situation on a contribution i was making (original was a flipper and re-release was a single sided dual layer disc) i had received "No" votes so i raised a support ticket and was informed by Invelos that the contribution was perfectly valid
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Quoting ninehours:
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Had a similar situation on a contribution i was making (original was a flipper and re-release was a single sided dual layer disc) i had received "No" votes so i raised a support ticket and was informed by Invelos that the contribution was perfectly valid

Did you remove the side B disc ID or did you just change the one for side A?
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Did you remove the side B disc ID

Yes
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We want the contribution so the disc IDs get into the database (not the profile, though that's the only way to enter them, but the database)

If this were a disc i owned i wouldn't object to someone coming back in and resubmitting the original disc ID material.  I wouldn't do this myself but i wouldn't object.
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As far as I understood this Disc-ID "problem", the Disc-IDs are "additional".
Means: even though the original Disc-IDs don't show up in the profile (anymore), they are still associated with the profile, so no real harm done.
The problem arises if there are other differences (e.g. Features) and someone starts to contribute the different features because they now match the currently prominent DiscID.

Solution: The original DiscIDs should remain in the "visible" part of the profile, while the additional (ReRelease) IDs disappear in the depths of the database and remain there until they are finally of some (future) use.

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For those that stated that contributions like in TheMadMartian's example would violate the rules, here's a little reminder:
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If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler.

The only condition for a DiscID contribution is that is has to differ from the existing. There are no other restrictions, so the contribution would be completely rule conform.
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I'll assume this is in regards to the contribution up for Battlestar Galactica: The Miniseries?

I purchased it on the original release date, and it was 2-discs. I seem to remember some forum posts somewhere when this came out back in 2004. Some people were getting a "flipper" disc, and some were getting it as 2-discs. It seems as though the studio did different original runs of this for some reason.
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Thanks to ninehours and Katatonia for the information, I will adjust my vote accordingly.
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Are the disc IDs actually different or is it just the physical disc configuration that has changed? If the latter, then it is not allowed to contribute the change according to my understanding of the rule.

And even when it's allowed, I'm just wondering what is stopping anyone from changing it back again...
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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what is stopping anyone from changing it back again...

Nothing, when i change a disc ID i copy and paste the IDs in my notes to stop ping ponging of the data but people just ignore them and still re-contribute the old disc IDs even though it is not needed (there's one at the moment for "The Quatermass Xperiment"
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Yeah, at least 80% of disc ID changes are of disc ID's that had already been there at some point. Not a great system...
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I was directed to this topic, as I am another no-voter in this particular case (yes, the BSG Miniseries).

First off, I also got the second variant (two discs, instead of one two-sided disc), so basically I would be fine with the change. But I really think that people miss the point: the Disc IDs have not changed at all. Again from the Contribution Rules:
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If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it.


In this case there is no other Disc ID, it's a simple packaging variant/change. It's nothing other, than the change from a first release Digipak to a re-release Keep Case or any Cover change. Universal re-released many of their TV-on-DVD releases on single-sided disc, after customers complained about the double-sided (DVD-18) becoming unreadable. But they didn't change the discs, they just broke them down onto two DVD-9. That's a packaging change, not a case of an alternate Disc ID. So in this case: No, we don't track this kind of change, according to the rules.

But: Yes, we would track the change, if a Disc ID would have changed. This is always the case when merging a "Flipper" (DVD-10) onto a DVD-9, you will get another Disc ID.

BTW, I haven't voted in the poll, nor will I, because it simply lacks the correct answer: it depends on the Disc ID.
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M_E: It sounds like you did the right thing.
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If it's the same disc ID as side b of the old flipper discs, maybe just attach a note to an audit mentioning you have a re-issue with just the FS side, same disc ID as side b of existing. Then the powers hat be can note it for the DB, and those who have the old flippers won't have to re-sub the proper first disc ID's.
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Shouldn't even have to do that. If the disc ID is already in the database there is no need for it to be contributed at all. In this case... where the disc ID is already in the database I would vote no to the change.
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Quoting M_E:
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I was directed to this topic, as I am another no-voter in this particular case (yes, the BSG Miniseries).

First off, I also got the second variant (two discs, instead of one two-sided disc), so basically I would be fine with the change. But I really think that people miss the point: the Disc IDs have not changed at all.

I didn't compare the disc IDs to see if they were different.  To be honest, the thought never even crossed my mind. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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