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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | For a Box Set, such as "The Complete Friends" or "The Complete Frasier" how do we input child profiles into the DVDProfiler database?
Rules are unclear on this, as discussed in a recent thread.
So vote away! | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way the rules are written either way is correct per the rules. While it says that disc level profiles are optional... the other rule. The note at the bottom is just as optional... Rules Quote: Quote:
Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile. It says they can be applied. not that it has to be. So going strictly by the rules.. the way the rules are written right now one way is just as correct as the other. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Chances are the existing disc IDs are already associated with the individual season release sets. If that is the case you will not be able to profile using only the disc ID from the first disc of each season. You will need to add every disc ID that comes with the complete set.
Check the disc IDs and see if they are already associated with the season releases. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the individual seasons were previously released, and child profiles were set up for the individual discs within that season using the Disc IDs, then I would NEVER support using the Disc 1 disc ID for the entire season profile for a complete series release.
I am faced with that exact issue with the "Leave It to Beaver" complete Series release, where they've put each season in its own keepcase. Seasons 3 through 6 keepcases have UPCs on them, so no problem. However, Seasons 1 and 2 do not have UPCs on the individual keepcases. The disc 1 Disc ID has already been submitted just for the content of Disc 1. Redoing it to be the entire Season 1 profile would just be wrong, IMHO. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personnaly would never use a Disc Id profile for a set containing the main feature on more than one disc.
Disc Id profiles just for what's actually on the disc. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If the individual seasons were previously released, and child profiles were set up for the individual discs within that season using the Disc IDs, then I would NEVER support using the Disc 1 disc ID for the entire season profile for a complete series release. Agreed. It's better to leave out the optional child profiles altogether from the online database. What I did with my The Twilight Zone: The Complete Definitive Collection was to create manual profiles for each of the season boxes as they have no UPCs and contain the same DVDs as the individually released seasons of The Twilight Zone: The Definitive Edition. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to get those five season profiles added to the online database without messing up other profiles. Disc 1 of each season is part of both "The Complete Definitive Collection" and "The Definitive Edition". --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The way the rules are written either way is correct per the rules. While it says that disc level profiles are optional... the other rule. The note at the bottom is just as optional...
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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.
It says they can be applied. not that it has to be. So going strictly by the rules.. the way the rules are written right now one way is just as correct as the other. I understand what you are saying, but this rule, as written, doesn't apply as it says multiple Complete TV Series, not Seasons. That means one complete series combined with another complete series.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As been said many times before that note was written by someone in the UK... where Series is used for Seasons.
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And if you don't take it that way... the rules still don't mention anywhere else to use the first disc id (or any of the disc ids for that matter) as the season profile... so it is still not a must per Rules. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And if you don't take it that way... the rules still don't mention anywhere else to use the first disc id (or any of the disc ids for that matter) as the season profile... so it is still not a must per Rules. I know, but the season level profile, as I understand it, is required. How else can it be created if there is no UPC?  As I said, this isn't how I would do it, it's just how I interpret the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where does it say the season profiles have to be there? I don't see it Martian. I see where it says the parent must contain the cast and crew. In such a case the main box (complete Series box) can serve this purpose just the same as a season profile.
I even went to the TV Series rule and searched every use of the word Season. And there was no rule I saw that said we must make season profiles for complete series sets. So I am not seeing where the rules say we must make season profiles for complete series collections.... using the first disc of the season or any other disc for that matter. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am going by the discussions I remember from the Rules forum. When it comes to TV Series sets, the word 'parent' refers to the individual season profile...that's why the rules talk about disc-level profiles instead of child profiles. If you want, you can read this thread and see what I am talking about. Also look at Ken's statement here. From my point of view, a complete TV set is made up of individual TV Box Sets so, if the data is required to be in the Parent/Season profile for those, why wouldn't it be required when they are packaged together? It just doesn't make sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The first thread you linked to is just a poll no different then any other on this site with no clarification/decision from Ken. Does not effect the rules what so ever. Ken's statement only says parent profile. Not that there must be season profiles. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
General consensus seems to be allowing child profiles for TV box sets, one profile per disc, while still having cast and crew in the parent profile, separated with dividers.
Users who don't want the child profiles don't download them. Box sets have an intrinsic automatic lock after first download, so no problem there.
For those who don't want the cast/crew in the parent profile, they clear it and lock it.
Do I have the summary right? If so, what are the objections of the dissenters? So I still see nothing where per Rules (or per Ken in the above statement) that there must be season profiles. So how... going by the rules... must there be season profiles? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | My personal preference would be that disc IDs only be used for disc level profiles.
What I think the best solution would be requires Ken. He would have to find a way to create a 3rd key. So for sets (say like the Friends complete) you would have it set up:
Parent box (complete set) - UPC
-- Season 1 - 3rd key
---- Season 1: Disc 1 - Disc ID
-- Season 2 - 3rd key
---- Season 2: Disc 1 - Disc ID
etc.
But that solution would require Ken to come up with a 3rd key. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you... that would be an ideal solution. Just don't have the slightest idea on what he could use as a third key. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I remember correctly Ken's statement was only about Season releases. Prior to the rule change Invelos did not allow for child discs to be used on season releases. However that didn't stop users from adding the disc IDs to the database. Now that they are allowed it has created additional issues with the Complete Series Releases using the same disc IDs as users want to profile the entire season using only Disc One from the season. Personnally I think this shouldn't even be allowed as disc 1 usually doesn't contain the entire season.
After the rule change he allowed for child disc IDs to be added to season releases however some members did not want them and others did that is why he allowed them to be added but not manditory to add them. But, the rules do state not to remove the box set contents (disc IDs) from the parent profile when contributing.
The "Complete Series" rule has always been a pain and the rule wording sucks at best.
I don't think Ken has ever addressed the Complete Series Sets in the forums. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The first thread you linked to is just a poll no different then any other on this site with no clarification/decision from Ken. Does not effect the rules what so ever.
Ken's statement only says parent profile. Not that there must be season profiles.
Quoting Ken Cole:
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General consensus seems to be allowing child profiles for TV box sets, one profile per disc, while still having cast and crew in the parent profile, separated with dividers.
Users who don't want the child profiles don't download them. Box sets have an intrinsic automatic lock after first download, so no problem there.
For those who don't want the cast/crew in the parent profile, they clear it and lock it.
Do I have the summary right? If so, what are the objections of the dissenters?
So I still see nothing where per Rules (or per Ken in the above statement) that there must be season profiles.
So how... going by the rules... must there be season profiles? Let me see if I can explain this better... The thread where Ken made his statement was about contibuting TV Box Sets. In the context of that thread, it seems quite obvious, at least to me, that he is talking about single season releases, where the season level profile is the parent profile. That being the case, since all the data for a TV Box Set must be in the parent profile, per the rules, there has to be a parent/season profile for that data to go in. If not, the rule doesn't make much sense. I honestly can't think of any other way to explain it.  Edit: I see Tracer seems to see where I am comming from as I remember it the same way he does. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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We will teach it to them again.
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