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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorOrici
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I recently came accross these two designations:

Optical Effects Supervisor
Special Optical Effects

and I wondered if they would get a visual effects credit under the current rules.
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Optical Effects Supervisor
Special Optical Effects

and I wondered if they would get a visual effects credit under the current rules.

Are they listed in the current rules?
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That is exactly what I go by... the extremely little I mess with crew I never bother to ask such a question. I just check the chart... if it isn't in the list of allowed in that chart it don't go in. Simple as that.
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No, you shouldn't add either of these to a profile as contributable crew...but by all means list them under Other within your visual effects crew if you want them.
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I recently came accross these two designations:

Optical Effects Supervisor
Special Optical Effects

I would not enter the first one, but wouldn't have a problem with the second one.
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I recently came accross these two designations:

Optical Effects Supervisor
Special Optical Effects

I would not enter the first one, but wouldn't have a problem with the second one.


Maybe it's just me; but I see no logic in your answer Martian.
If one, then why not the other?

Maybe I'm wrong - but it seems to me that you are going with the belief that Optical Effects translate as Visual Effects?
If this is the case then don't those jobs end up as:

Visual Effects Supervisor
Special Visual Effects

And if this IS the case then both would be acceptable.

Personally, I go with the logic that 'Optical' is not valid in any of the crew categories and therefore shouldn't be included. For example I wouldn't include a 'Director of Photography for Optical Effects'.

Since the discussion on Digital Effects Artists I have definitely come to the conclusion that, for the sake of consistency, we should stick rigidly to what's in the rules.
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Is it only if the credit says Special Photographic Effects in the Roller Lyrics it can be used as credit.?
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I have definitely come to the conclusion that, for the sake of consistency, we should stick rigidly to what's in the rules.

Unfortunately, as you can see, most people haven't reached that conclusion (yet?). For some inexplicable reason, people seem extremely hesitant to use the local-only custom crew field to store things that they value but that don't exactly fit the rules, and instead seem intent to shoehorn them into a contributable field. 
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I can understand where the OP is coming from.

According to this article from filmreference.com Optical Effects is a form of Special Effects. Mostly done in camera.

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So should it be listed, yes. It is Special Effects after all.

But can it be contributed, no not at this time.
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Optical Effects is a form of Special Effects.

Similarly, Sound Effects Editing is a form of Sound Editing. And so on...
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I recently came accross these two designations:

Optical Effects Supervisor
Special Optical Effects

I would not enter the first one, but wouldn't have a problem with the second one.


Maybe it's just me; but I see no logic in your answer Martian.
If one, then why not the other?

Maybe I'm wrong - but it seems to me that you are going with the belief that Optical Effects translate as Visual Effects?

I am not sure where you are getting that from.  If that were the case, then I would have said yes to both.  What I am going by is the fact that one, 'Special Optical Effects', contains the credit listed in the chart, 'Special Effects', while the other does not.

Now that you mention it, however, 'Optical' could be considered a direct translation of 'Visual'.  While I didn't originally look at it from that perspective, I can see that point of view now.  That being the case, I wouldn't object to either credit being added.
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'Special Optical Effects', contains the credit listed in the chart, 'Special Effects'

There again, by that reasoning, 'Sound Effects Editor' contains the credit listed in the chart, 'Sound Editor'. So I gather you wouldn't object to those either?

Either you apply that reasoning, or you don't...
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Optical Effects is a form of Special Effects.

Similarly, Sound Effects Editing is a form of Sound Editing. And so on...



And so?


Are you saying that Optical Effects is NOT Special Effects?
According to whom?

To further state the fact that Optical effects is Special Effects here is another link from the above site.

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Special effects in cinema can be divided into physical and optical effects (in the industry often referred to as "effects" and "special effects," respectively), the former done in front of the camera, the latter after the negative has been exposed.


As far as Sound Effects Editor, well that's only being brought up to muddle the discussion. The discussion is about whether or not Optical Effects is a valid Special Effects credit.

For me they are the same thing.
Now I am not saying that such a credit can be contributed. The answer to that is a clear NO.

The rules regarding Special/Visual effects needs to be updated as it is banning many valid credits that really should be allowed into the main database.
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And so?

Nothing. I was merely agreeing with everything you said. My point being that indeed, the current rules do not allow "optical effects", and additionally, that the line of reasoning that some people use to justify entering them, would also allow "sound effects editors" and many, many more things we don't want.
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'Special Optical Effects', contains the credit listed in the chart, 'Special Effects'

There again, by that reasoning, 'Sound Effects Editor' contains the credit listed in the chart, 'Sound Editor'. So I gather you wouldn't object to those either?

You gather incorrectly.  As far as I can tell, we only want the main sound editor.  The same can't be said for Special Effects.
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Either you apply that reasoning, or you don't...

When you abide by all polls, not just the ones that agree with your opinion, you can make these kinds of statements, until then, well, you can't.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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You gather incorrectly.

There you go. If you don't want "sound effects editors", you shouldn't come up with an approach to other credits which will encourage users to add them as well. Because that's exactly what you're doing. Sure, you can make the distinction, but you can't expect everyone else to make the same call. Instead, you're opening the floodgates. Either we do something, and then do it consistently, or we don't do it. But we shouldn't all "invent" little exceptions for certain bits of data that we personally happen to like. As I said: if you spot someone in the credits that you'd like to track, but it isn't explicitly allowed by the rules, then why not use the custom crew field? That's exactly what it's for...

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When you abide by all polls, not just the ones that agree with your opinion, you can make these kinds of statements, until then, well, you can't.

I'll decide for myself what kind of statements I can or cannot make, thank you very much. I honestly don't see what this has to do with anything, but then again: we've all gotten used to these unwarranted attacks from you... For the record: I actually do tend to abide by poll results, except, of course, when they're in direct conflict with the rules (a poll doesn't trump the rules), or when there's an official statement from Invelos that settles the matter. So I've got no idea what you're talking about. I guess congratulations are in order: yet again, you've managed to throw in a completely unfounded and wholly unrelated attack for no reason whatsoever. It's sad, really, and it's exactly this behaviour that makes these forums such a nasty place. 
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